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Author	Topic: Betrayal (Obi/Qui angst - very AU) Updated 11/2/09
dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/7/03 4:42pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Hi JediNemesis- Thanks for your comments. Yes, things are pretty bad for Obi-Wan...<snicker>. Oh, what a tangled web we weave... When I write the characters, I always try to think of their motivations and POV. So for Anakin, Obi's motivations look pretty suspicious! Shaindl - Thanks for the one of the pleasures - I like that. I'm so glad that you are enjoying it so far.... Actually, the two-a-week posting is making it easier for me to write!!! So you don't get withdrawal symptoms and I try desperately to stay ahead!!! Thursday it is... -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/7/03 5:23pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6 - Date Edited: 4/7/03 5:57pm (1 edits total) Edited By: dianethx
	Hi Healer_Leona - I'm so glad that you liked the descriptions. I was really concerned that they were a little much but I love language (one of my favorite authors - Mary Stewart - in her earlier works wrote such vivid descriptions that I actually visited some of the places she described just to see them for myself - she is a big influence on my work). Yes, Atel felt that Obi-Wan needed to be reminded about the rules of the Order. I wrote her that way because I felt that Obi-Wan would choose and be comfortable with someone who follows the rules. I am not an Obi basher at all, I adore him. But he has flaws and one of them is following the rules. The 2 movies showed that very clearly, especially the "if you would only follow the Code you would be on the Council" speech to Qui-Gon and the "We will do exactly as the Council has instructed" speech to Anakin. In both cases, he emphasized rule-following and I felt that was an essential part of his character. Atel learned that from him a little too well!!! As for Atel reading the situation with Qui-Gon, you are assuming that he has nothing to hide....he certainly does!!! You just don't know what it is yet....but it has been hinted at!! Yes, he is following the ways of the Force as he sees it but....it may be against the rules of the Jedi Order or the laws of the Republic...you'll just have to see. Chapter 7 part 2 - I was emphasizing that things are not well for the Jedi within the Republic. Even the common folk are learning contempt for their ways - especially since the Senate often sends the Jedi to pander after the rich and famous and leave worlds like Naboo to the likes of the Trade Federation. Glad you are enjoying it so much!!! -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/7/03 5:43pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6 - Date Edited: 4/8/03 3:54am (2 edits total) Edited By: dianethx
	Hi forever_jedi - Oh, you ask such good questions and I really want to answer them so much..but if I do, you won't want to read the chapters where your questions are answered...LOL. Keep in mind that Qui-Gon is well-loved in the local system of Naboo where he has been situated for the last 10 years. The locals are appreciative of his generosity and his time. He is very real to them whereas the Jedi have ignored their world, especially when it was in serious trouble. Qui-Gon and Anakin are heroes of Naboo - the Jedi are not. The Naboo people have no reason to trust them. But has the Order really gone dark for the common people or those whom they help? It is darkened from within, the shining towers still glow as bright from the outside. Qui-Gon and co are aware of the gradual darkening (you'll find out how later) but there is little they can do at this time. As for going after Obi-Wan, again part of it will be explained in Chapter 12. However, keep in mind that Qui-Gon was struggling for a while and then he had to do those things he is currently doing (and I can't tell you yet!!! what they are). Yes, from a certain point of view, he should have tried to contact Obi-Wan but he was forbidden from doing so and until relatively recently, did not realize just how bad it had become. He truly thought Obi-Wan was better off at the Temple at the beginning and, when Obi didn't contact him, thought that Obi might have decided not to do so for any number of reasons (protection, ignorance, indifference - I can think of half a dozen reasons quickly). As for Obi-Wan not bringing up that Qui never contacted him, no he did not. I haven't finished the fic yet. Maybe I'll write a scene explaining it....would that be okay? I'm glad that you liked the Anakin I wrote. I really try hard to get them close to the canon characters as I can with the circumstances being so different. Love all of your comments. They really made me think (and sometimes...go ohno, better explain that soon!!!). -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/7/03 5:56pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Hi LuvEwan Short replies are good, too. Glad you're still with us... Now, LE - didn't I tell you to watch out for Anakin scenes? They are always full of information...I loved that he told Obi-Wan off. Made our Obi feeling even guiltier!!! Yes, I wrote the bar scene to be somewhat reminiscent of the ANH scene - when they go down the stairs...Seems Obi is always in bars and always cutting people's arms off. He needs to see someone about that tendency!!! especially when he could have just cut off the ends of the blasters instead...LOL. Oh, I'm glad you love the story. I hope you continue to think of it as original. We shall see... -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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forever_jedi Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 4/7/03 9:42pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Hey Diane Great to know that many mysteries will be solved and my question regarding Qui-Gon will be answered later! You know, when I read the end part of the last post with Obi-Wan blaming himself again over Anakin's words, I wondered when, if ever, Obi-Wan would wake up and stop blaming himself for everything in the world. As well as demanding some answers himself. Yes, I would like him at some point to bring up the topic of why Qui-Gon never contacted him. Perhaps Qui-Gon had his reasons - but Obi-Wan needs to know that. Just as Qui-Gon needed to find out why Obi-Wan had never contacted him! There should be closure from both sides! You know about the canon Obi-Wan always "following the rules": I have a different view of this. I felt that just like Luke in the OT with all his Rebel friends, Obi-Wan always seemed to be a team player, consulting with his peers and superiors before heading into action. He didn't seem to be the kind of person who always wanted to go solo. Anakin is decidedly different. Qui-Gon is also, but only to an extent. In TPM, he seems to follow his "Force" but also, obey the dictates of the Council at crucial times. Just our different takes on GL's immortal characters! The biweekly post routine is great! It seems just the right pace! -----signature----- “Kenobi was luminous, a transparent being, a window onto a sunlit meadow of the Force.” RotS, Matt Stover. "The Force will be with you, always."
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Healer_Leona Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/8/03 4:10am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	In response to your response for my response.... heh, heh...in truth I'm figuring that Qui-Gon has a great deal to hide from the Order and of course Qui-Gon being the Jedi... ahem former Jedi Master he was, I'm sure he'd be more than able to shield himself in the Force from both Atel and Obi-Wan. I was thinking more that both Atel and possibly even more so Obi-Wan would be able to use the Force to at least sense that whatever he was doing was of the lightside and not the darkside... hmmm, then again perhaps they can't because neither are very strong in the Living-Force. -----signature----- Break away from everybody Break away from everthing If you can't stand the way this place is Take yourself to higher places
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Jane Jinn Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 4/8/03 4:15am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	As for submitting Draigon's Lair to the Archives, I did and they didn't like it - said the pacing wasn't right. I have to agree that the pacing is slow to begin with (that was deliberate) but it does speed up towards the end (as it should). I guess it's really a matter of style and taste. They're the judges. Well, I liked it and I wouldn't change any of it anyway so... but thanks for asking. I'm sorry to hear that it was rejected. Pacing is a tricky thing, and also something that is very subjective, I think; some people like one kind of pacing, others like other kinds. I had planned on submitting this fic to the Archives when it's done as well. We shall see if they like it or not....I'm not going in with any expectations!! Yes, that's probably the best way to be. I hope it does get accepted, though. As for the Awards ... does anybody else here have the same problem I have? There are a few categories (not the one where this story is featured, thank the Force) where I need to choose between two or three worthy stories or authors ... and I really can't say which is the best, or which one is my favourite. It's a real dilemma -- I almost don't want to vote! -----signature----- Mostly retired now Just making the occasional guest appearance
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Aunecah_Skywalker Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/8/03 5:22am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Well, no matter how many 'fics Anakin is in and no matter who is writing the 'fics, it appears that he will always be the same. Doesn't Obi-Wan have enough problems as it is without being misunderstood, and that too by Anakin out of everybody? Aunecah
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JediNemesis Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 4/8/03 10:14am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Anakin's just a poor misunderstood kid. At least that's how I think of him. (Yes, I do have a weakness for Skywalker Senior too. Albeit only as Hayden. ) Roll on Thursday. Nemesis -----signature----- BeTS Best Author '08 NEW Bad Dreams - http://boards.theforce.net/a/b1/29893091 Eleven Summers - http://boards.theforce.net/a/b1/29657584 Into The Shining Day - http://boards.theforce.net/a/b1/29224914
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/8/03 4:02pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Hi again forever_jedi - You all are really keeping me on my toes!!! Yes, I will definitely put something in between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon about why Qui-Gon didn't contact Obi-Wan...probably around Chapter 13 or 14 so it may be a while! (note to self - explain or else). I like your take on Obi-Wan's rule following style. I never really thought of it as being a team player but in many ways, you are right. Obi did consult with Mace and Yoda about Anakin and he kept checking back with the Temple when things started getting rough. I suppose you could take it two ways - either he's a team player or else he's insecure about his role in the Order and feels that he must check in frequently. I like the team player idea better!! And the poor guy is sandwiched in between Qui-Gon and Anakin - who tend to be more independant and go off on their own! Thursday will be here before you know it...LOL. -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/8/03 4:28pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Ah Healer_Leona but what responses they are. I think I've lost track of which response to what...LOL. As for force use to determine lightside versus darkside in the conversation among the dinner crew at the Jinn ranch....I could tell you a wonderful tale of convoluted logic that would make your head spin or I could tell you the truth. Okay, how many people for truth and how many for tales of convolution??? Truth loses but I'm going to tell you anyway. I forgot to do that! I was concentrating so hard on the dinner conversations and keeping the personalities just right and having the Force conversations between Obi and Atel that I didn't put it in. It belongs there, it really does and I'm going to go back when this tale is done and fix it. However, your explaination of Jinn being able to shield well enough to thwart any attempt by Obi or Atel to determine his motivation sounds just right. I like that. Can I steal it? -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/8/03 4:34pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	JaneJinn asked As for the Awards ... does anybody else here have the same problem I have? You bet. I'm having a devil of a time deciding on some of them and I've only gotten about a 1/3 the way down the first page. Some of the stories are superb and I missed a lot of them. Now, there's even more to read than before plus keep up with all the new ones. Well, there goes any chance of sleep!!! It makes it very hard to decide on which one should win. I've decided that I am going to go by the excerpts. I just don't have time to read them all in depth. Decisions, decisions!!! -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/8/03 4:47pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Hi Aunecah and JediNememsis - I really like Anakin. He's a very complex character, at once childlike and scary adult. My friends all think I'm nuts because I am sympathetic towards the Chosen one but he facinates me (especially Hayden's chilling portrayal). Luckily, in this fic, he still has similar personality flaws (to that of AOTC) but he is unlikely to turn with Qui-Gon as his mentor and no Jedi rules about attachment. He does need to curb his impatience a bit...LOL. As for Obi-Wan feeling guilty, I wonder where that came from. It shows up a lot in the fics. I got that impression of Obi-Wan a long time ago. The JA books, the look on his face as Qui-Gon died, his heartfelt apology to Qui-Gon in the swamp (even though Obi was right and shouldn't have had to apologize) or maybe it stems back all the way back to the old trilogy when Ben looks so upset when he's telling Luke in ROTJ about Anakin. It does seem be a constant of his personality (along with rule-following). Any thoughts? -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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Healer_Leona Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/9/03 4:04am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Well, I'm certainly curious as to your convoluted logic. Anyway, the idea of Qui-Gon being strong enough in the Force to shield himself even from other Jedi is hardly my own idea... feel free to use it. -----signature----- Break away from everybody Break away from everthing If you can't stand the way this place is Take yourself to higher places
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/10/03 4:00am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/6
	Sorry Healer_Leona - no tales of convoluted logic today...but I will be using parts of your suggestion in my rewrite. Thanks. -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 11/2/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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