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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/3/03 4:36pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3
	LuvEwan... your comment finishs gagging about Anakin almost made me do something extremely foolish... I almost posted a bit of a love story I wrote and inserted Anakin's name in it...but I knew you would run screaming for the hills and never come back.... so there is no love here....LOL. Are you dying from the tension? I haven't even gotten to the tense stuff yet! Well, from Qui-Gon's POV, Obi-Wan is a potential enemy, especially since Qui-Gon has stuff...yeah, that's it...stuff going on that the Jedi Order is not going to like. I'm glad you like my descriptions. I do get carried away sometimes...so just be warned. As for Obi-Wan, he will be in most of the fic, not all, but enough that even you should be satisfied. Now, are you sure you wouldn't like a little Anakin/Padme romance? It's all ready, just waiting to be posted...LOL. And the descriptions are breathtaking.... -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 9/22/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/3/03 4:52pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3
	Hi Aunecah_Skywalker - I'm glad you could join us. You said that you didn't have time to read this but it sure sounds like you read most of it. Wow! I'm thrilled that you like it so much. I like the Wonderfully written and completely original. Thanks. Yes, the Jedi Order has been forced to cut expenses. They did try to cut costs until the Senate aka Sidious cut them so deep that they were forced to dismiss Jedi and the Senate oversaw the dismissals so they got to pick and choose who they wanted to get rid of. Of course, our own rebel, Qui-Gon Jinn, would top the list. Yes the new Jedi Council is pretty bad. You haven't met all of them but there are some additional members that have a small role in future chapters. And, no, none of the original Council members are there. Yes, corruption can be insidious, starting with small things and ending up so awful that you can't believe it started with a single misstep. Anakin is Qui-Gon's apprentice. I will leave it at that...for now. Yes, Le'orath can be to-the-point. She is trying to protect her husband, she's just not gentle about it. As for Atel, I like her, too. Unfortunately, she has been somewhat corrupted by the Jedi Order. Will Obi-Wan be able to get her to see the Light? You'll just have to see.... And, yes, I feel sorry for Obi-Wan, too. -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 9/22/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/3/03 5:07pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3
	JediNemesis Hi again. I'm glad you like my descriptions. I hope that you will still say that after the next post tomorrow.... And you are beginning to like Anakin. Good. He will be showing up in a few posts and I liked him a lot in that one. Yes, everyone, it appears, has been having Bantha herds running roughshod over their lives. As for you being confused....great!! That means that I haven't given away too much. Good. Now, as for posting every day. Frankly, I'm not that good. Really!! I did mention that I have a lot already written (about 80 pages so far -12 chapters) and I have another 5 or so to go (probably about 50-60 pages additional). So, I know people that write everyday and lots of words. I'm a very slow writer. In fact, right now, I'm writing chapter 13 and have written maybe 5-6 paragraphs in 3 days. Slow, slow, slow!!! I will keep posting almost everyday (except weekends) until I catch up. Then it will be very, very, did I mention very slow... BTW, thanks for the 100th post. I've never done that before!!! YES!! -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 9/22/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/3/03 5:09pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3
	Hi again LuvEwan - You said that you hate me....Need I mention again that I have a lovely romance with Anakin and Padme that you would enjoy reading SOOOOO much? Thanks for the headsup on my 100th post. Wow. I'm amazed. -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 9/22/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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Sheila Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 4/3/03 5:51pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3
	Qui-Gon frowned darkly, his voice low, almost angry. "They deliberately chose him. To torment me or to punish him. Maybe both." Staring out into the night, he admitted. "It hurt to see him and not tell him the truth. I...I've missed him." I am glad to see that even though Obi-Wan is a potential enemy to Qui-Gon's cause, Qui-Gon recognizes the fact that Obi-Wan is just another pawn being used by the Council. I believe Obi-Wan, who was already conflicted, is going to have some serious decisions to make in the near future. I can't wait to see where you take this story dianethx.
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Aunecah_Skywalker Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/3/03 5:52pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3
	I read the whole story dianethx. I read very fast - 1800 WPM, so you can be assured that I'll be keeping an eye on this 'fic. Aunecah
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Bekah_K Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 4/3/03 7:13pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3
	I just found this fic and it's great! It's taking a while to figure out these new boards. Keep going, you're doing a wonderful job portraying these characters. I can't wait to see how all of this turns out. I will be tuning in daily for updates. ~Bek -----signature----- See bio for other fics Life Beyond the Code (Obi-Wan/Anakin) - http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20820324/?6 a.k.a. bek Bring Him Home (Obi-Wan) - http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/21107038/?3
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Jane Jinn Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 4/3/03 11:40pm Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3 - Date Edited: 4/4/03 5:36am (1 edits total) Edited By: Jane Jinn
	spits out big mouthful of bantha hair Yuck, nothing tastes worse! Okay, I'm back -- for a while, anyway. checks horizon for charging banthas Let's see how much I can reply to. Actually, I was thinking that Atel and Anakin might have a romance á la Han and Leia. "Into the garbage-chute, flyboy!" "No reward is worth this!" sees author and readers fleeing alike Uh, well, maybe not. That scene with Obi-Wan shredding the flowers was very powerful. I could really see how much pain he was in. I wonder if it's a kind of foreshadowing as well -- that he as a Jedi is going to have to shred some lives here? Hope not! I liked the way that Qui-Gon was quick to tell him how he'd never been a coward. I also liked the irony that the Jedi used Qui-Gon to test AA23 because of his stubbornness. I wonder why they didn't destroy it, despite their promises, as this was even before he left the Order -- I can only presume that Sidious was at work even then. I liked the part at the end where Qui-Gon told Obi-Wan that he was the son of his heart. Sweet! Moving on to the next post. Uh oh! Someone's going around killing dismissed Jedi? But why? They're not a drain on the Senate's resources anymore -- but Sidious must feel threatened by their presence anyway. Crikey, that's scary. And it seems Obi-Wan doesn't know about it -- yet. I liked Qui-Gon being willing to take steps to delay discovery of whatever he and the others are up to, and yet ready to take life "as the Force wills." That's what I like about him; he is the knight of ultimate faith. I also like the way he's ready to sacrifice himself for others, for the right thing, as we saw when he told Mace that the Jedi would have a scapegoat if they needed one. It's good, too, that he's found out that the will of the Force and the will of the Jedi Council aren't the same. No, he's not a fool anymore. It does sound very much like they're setting up a rival Temple here, and more power to them! Just what the galaxy needs! Go, Qui-Gon! Maybe in this story you'll get to chop Sidious in half, instead of just Darth Maul. Woo-hoo! Corruption is definitely insidious, and the road to evil often slopes down so gradually that people don't often realize how far down it they are, when they only meant to take a small step in that direction. Also, if you're exclusively in the company of others who are headed that way, it's even harder for you to realize that it's the wrong direction, because you think, everybody else is doing it, so it must be all right. I'll bet that's what happened to the Jedi Order, and to the people who were appointed to serve on the new Council. You're a slow writer, Diane? I bet you're not as slow as I am, though! I've been working on a story off-line for about six months now, and I'm only halfway through, or so it seems. Everything seems to conspire against me to take my writing time away. picks up electro-jabber to keep away the Bantha of Real Life, electro-jabber loses power AHHH! -----signature----- Mostly retired now Just making the occasional guest appearance
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/4/03 3:56am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3 - Date Edited: 4/4/03 4:01am (1 edits total) Edited By: dianethx
	Sheila Glad you're here. Yes, Qui-Gon must realize that Obi-Wan is a potential enemy, even though neither of them are happy about what they must do. As for Obi-Wan, he does need to make a lot of decisions about the future. I just hope he makes the right ones!!! I can't wait to see where you take this story. I hope you will enjoy the journey!! Aunecah_Skywalker - You are a fast reader!!! I am, as well. What I usually do with books and stories is read them very fast to see if I like them and then read them again slowly to savor the language and interplay of characters. Some books I've lost count of how many times I've read them that way! Glad to see you're still here. Bekah_K Welcome. I'm very happy to see that you found my little fic and even happier that you like it. I try very hard to make my characters believable. I mostly succeed... I will be posting daily on the weekdays. Weekends are to take care of family and write!!! ...and to drive off those herds of darth life banthas that keep roaming through my backyard. New post coming up... -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 9/22/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/4/03 4:26am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3
	Hurray JaneJinn has successfully driven off those banthas....for now. Now, if we could just find a use for bantha hair, we'd have a real moneymaker here... Atel and Anakin having a romance. Well...I never thought of that. But, you know, it's a really good idea. They are a lot alike and have just enough edge to both of them that it could work.....but not in this fic. Readers would indeed be running for the hills. And I did promise no romance!!! I haven't tried to write a Han/Leia romance yet (and the list of stories to write grows even longer). I really enjoyed writing the shredding flower scene. Yes, it was a metaphor for him shredding lives, especially his own. You notice that both men are quick to think the best of each other, even when faced with the "truth". That will become a larger issue as Obi-Wan discovers just what is going on. As for not dismantling the cell, the agent of the Sith was already in place when they were testing it (it was only a few months before the dismissals began). Personally, I would have never even tested it but rather just destroyed it. But I can understand the military mentality of seeing if there is a defense against it and also of not destroying it when the testing is done. We still do that in our universe. Next post. Yes, someone is going around killing the dismissed Jedi. If you remember in my first post, Maul had a dead hand of a former Jedi (she was in "But"). And Obi-Wan is not aware of it yet but the former Jedi are. Why kill them? Sidious would always see them as a threat and he does not like threats! I wrote Qui-Gon's little speech that way because that is the way I see him...willing to sacrifice himself for others, even being stubborn enough to continue his course when others might not wish him to do so. He was always following the will of the Force, even in TPM when he defied the Council. Rival temple...hummm. Do you think the Jedi would allow such a thing? As for chopping Sidious in half, that's so messy. Do you think I should? As for corruption, you have said it most beautifully. the road to evil often slopes down so gradually that people often realize how far down it they are, when they only meant to take a small step in that direction.. That is just what is happening. The corruption is spreading gradually but since it is 10 years later, you can finally see just how bad things have become. The real question is how to reverse it...or if it is even possible. Yes, I consider myself a very slow writer. I can write a chapter maybe in a month (I do admit that some of the chapters are quite long - chapter 12 is 16 pages long). And, you are right. Everything does seem to conspire to keep you from writing. But then the itch becomes too great and you just have to shut the door and ignore the world. Oh, no!!! Her electro-jabber is out of power. Throw her another one. QUICK! New post coming up.... -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 9/22/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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dianethx Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/4/03 4:35am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/3 - Date Edited: 1/17/06 11:26am (1 edits total) Edited By: dianethx
	And now for Chapter 7. Atel is a little....miffed at Obi-Wan and here's why. Chapter 7 - Stumbling in the dark The silence in the landspeeder was absolute. The uneasy quiet between Master and apprentice had grown as their vehicle arrowed toward the soft haze of the distant spaceport. It deepened even as the night's second moon rose over the dappled hills and painted the far, jagged-toothed mountains in a pearlescent light. The breathtaking scene, a doubled-vision of black and white, did not relieve the tense stillness within. Atel's face was its own landscape, sketched in lines of moonsglow and black and green, the instrument panel's reflected light patterning across her brow. Eyes hooded, mouth hard, her stress-cramped hands were stark with ivory outrage as she drove towards the port. Unaware of her turmoil and battling his own behind duracrete shields, Obi-Wan sat beside her, his figure outlined in chalk and charcoal, staring pensively and still into the vastness of space. Finally, he moved to ease his wearied shoulders and glanced at his silent apprentice. What he saw there worried him. Obi-Wan had needed this time for reflection, to try and unknot the twisted threads of conversation and nuance, to determine what had happened and what must happen next. He had thought that Atel was merely respecting his wish for quiet but it was now apparent that more was going on, her unease pulsing through the Force. He leaned forward, touching her arm, acknowledging that he was ready to listen to her concerns but she sharply shrugged him off. "Padawan?" Her piercing glance warned him to tread very lightly. He was weary from the constant barrage of guilt and turmoil that had blackened his day thus far but he knew this was important to her. "What is wrong?" "I need to meditate first, Master, before I can speak clearly on this issue." Her tone was flat, almost angry. "On what issue? If this pertains to the mission, I need to know before we reach the port." She growled. "Permission to speak frankly, Master?" Ah, this was serious. "Yes, Atel, say what you must." The apprentice pulled sharply on the speeder stick. The stuttering white-noise of the repulsor fields indicated that they were no longer on the road and safely out of the way of passing vehicles. As she powered down the speeder, the engine's whine was replaced by the rustling of leaves and echo of night creatures in the nearby wood. For a moment, the stillness remained and then the Padawan exploded with outrage. "What were you thinking back there? Endangering the mission like that?" "What?" Taken aback, his voice rose in bewilderment. "Telling Jinn about the Temple. It's a clear violation of the Standards for Jedi Behavior." "That's Master Jinn to you." "No. Not Master Jinn." She looked at him, hard frown deepening, voice steely and quick. "No, not to me and definitely not to you. Master Jinn was ten years ago. This man is Jinn who is under investigation, Jinn who is a potential enemy, Jinn who may be a rogue." "Atel, enough." "No, Master, it's not enough." Her voice hardened further. "What is going on? I've never seen you like this. You have never gone against the rules of the Temple while on a mission before. Ever. Even when you thought that they were wrong, you have always obeyed the Council and the Code. Why now? What makes this mission so different that you would throw away everything for that man?" "I haven't thrown away anything." Atel looked at him, unbelieving, unable to understand why her Master did not comprehend the potential for disaster here. "Master Obi-Wan, please listen to me. The Standards are very clear, uncompromisingly clear on what can and cannot be said outside the Temple. You told Jinn about the Jedi's relationship with the Senate, about the codified behavior, about the monitoring, all things that are not his concern. And he is under investigation. The Council might think that you are consorting with the suspect, an accessory. You should not have told him anything." She shook her head and then stared at him, directly, pointedly, to make him realize somehow what he had done. "Master, you have put me in a very difficult position." "What!? Why?" "The Standards state that a Jedi, be they Master, Knight or Padawan, must inform the Council as soon as they are aware that a violation has taken place. If I don't report you and they find out, I could be punished or dismissed, depending on the level of offense. With or without your consent. If I do report you, you will be dismissed or worse." She shook her head sharply, voice catching in a suppressed sob. "What am I going to do?" "Padawan, calm yourself. I know that I may have overstepped the letter of the Standards but, potential threat or not, Qui-Gon deserved to know what was and is happening at the Temple. It is my responsibility and mine alone. I will make sure that all my actions will be included in the mission report." Her violet eyes flashed green in the reflected light as she blinked back unwanted tears. "But, Master, is that enough? The rules demand that the offense is to be reported immediately." "Are you sure? I don't recall anything about that in the Standards. I read them very carefully when they were issued at the beginning of the year." "Yes, I am sure. They revised the rules just as we returned from Septumus Five. The mandated class was held..." Her breath drew in sharply. "...while you were in the Healer's wing." "Padawan, it was my error, not yours. Ill or not, I should have made sure that I was current with any change in Temple directives." Obi-Wan sighed heavily and rubbed his hand over his eyes, trying to ease the headache just beginning to build there. "Atel, I am not sorry that I told Master Qui-Gon what I did and I would not have changed anything had I known about the revisions. I am sorry that you are caught in the middle. It was certainly not my intention." He sighed again. "I've been less than mindful lately. The missions have been exhausting. Still, it is no excuse." Atel repeated. "What am I going to do?" "Before any decision, you must calm your mind, Padawan. Worry, fear and doubt will only cloud your thoughts and lead you astray." "Yes, Master." "Much as I might wish to, I cannot dictate your course in this matter. You must do what you feel is right." He shrugged dejectedly and turned his face towards the spaceport. "We are almost there. When we reach our lodgings, I want you to go to the room and meditate on this. You will need some time alone to deal with the issues at hand. I will scout out the area. When I will return, we will discuss this further." Unhappy, she nodded and turned away, unable to meet his eyes. "Atel, it will be all right. I trust your judgment." He squeezed her shoulder slightly, hoping to soothe her troubled mind. "You might do me a favor and see if you can pull out the revised Standards on your datapad. I will need to review them tonight so that there will be no further problems." His voice softened. "Padawan, it will be all right. You'll see." "Yes, Master." "Good. Now, let's get going." -----signature----- Betrayal - http://boards.theforce.net/s/b1/10935143 updated 9/22/09 jedidas3's Master Merlin - Diplomatic Immunity - http://boards.theforce.net/nswff/b10808/30459852
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Aunecah_Skywalker Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 4/4/03 5:57am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/4
	Oh no. Atel's thinking about reporting this to the Council? It's true that you should follow rules, but it sometimes is so clear that the Council is in the wrong that you just have to stop following it and its stupid rules and start using your logic. On the other hand, Atel has no kind of relationship with Qui-Gon whatsoever, and that makes it awkward for her to bend rules for the sake of him. On the other hand, she does have a relationship with Obi-Wan, and I refuse to believe that she'll tell the Council about it. Finally, I'm amazed that you have a revised version of the Standards every year. Isn't one year enough? I bet this is coming from the senate. It almost makes me wonder - is the new Council appointed by the Senate as opposed to being (restrictedly) elected within the Jedi Order? As far as Obi-Wan's and Atel's relationship goes - I don't know, it seems a little too formal for me. Is there a reason for that? I mean, they're Master and Apprentice, right? Anyway, I'm sure it'll be cleared up as the story goes on. Great post dianethx. Aunecah
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JediNemesis Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 4/4/03 7:34am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/4
	The quintessential 'should I, shouldn't I' situation, given a whole lot of very nasty context by the stuff happening at the Temple. A new set of Standards every year... wonder who writes them... bet you anything it's not the people who should be - in other words, the Jedi. ?:\| Reminds me of Nazi Germany, where kids were encouraged to inform on their parents - and most of them did! It shows the depth of Atel's attachment to Obi-Wan that she hasn't made up her mind to split on him. Yet. Probably if she was a couple of years younger and used to the Standards, she wouldn't have given it a second thought. Presto - Obi in jail. Or dead. Or something. spots charging bantha on horizon Yup, my ENTIRE WEEKEND is taken up by the latest emissary of the Bantha of Real Life - archery practice. Nemesis -----signature----- BeTS Best Author '08 NEW Bad Dreams - http://boards.theforce.net/a/b1/29893091 Eleven Summers - http://boards.theforce.net/a/b1/29657584 Into The Shining Day - http://boards.theforce.net/a/b1/29224914
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forever_jedi Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 4/4/03 8:16am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/4
	What delectable shades of grey coming up in this story, Dianethx. Obi-Wan and Atel both are already caught between a rock and a hard place. Though we, of course, know that Atel should NOT report her Master to the Council, I can't blame her. This is all she has grown up with, all she knows. What a departure from the old Master/Padawan relationship and the trust vested there. With the revised directives, the Council is extending its power even between that relationship - reminds me depressingly of the beginnings of dictatorships and the McCarthy era. I feel for Obi-wan here - there's so much on his plate already; how can he deal with problems from both a padawan and an ex-Master? What will happen to Obi-Wan and Atel now? Can Atel bear it if her Master is dismissed? And will she then understand the relationship between Obi-Wan and his Master? I can sense similar stuff coming up between Anakin/Qui-Gon and Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan as well. I must say that like Jane_Jinn, I too thought you had something planned between Atel and Anakin. I wouldn't mind a light bantering/flirtation. Maybe not real romance. I had mentioned earlier that I thought Leorath was a little sharp and less compassionate when she first met Obi-Wan. I understand her love and protectiveness towards Qui-Gon, but I felt her behavior was similar to ..."Fools rush in where...". IMO, she should have realized that Qui-Gon's relationship with Obi-Wan was complex; he had been hurt because he loved Obi-Wan so much. Instead of trying to get the other part of the story, her outright threatening Obi-Wan seemed slightly unintelligent (to me). A cool, reserved attitude would have been sufficient! Even without her interference, these two intelligent and sensitive men would have worked it out themselves. Anyway, just my take on her! Finally, about the pace of your writing. While I really enjoy daily posts, I am scared that once you reach the end of the part already written, you said the posts will get very slow. My withdrawal symptoms would be severe! I would enjoy a slightly more even pace, so I wouldn't mind non-daily posts. I don't know what your other readers think. -----signature----- “Kenobi was luminous, a transparent being, a window onto a sunlit meadow of the Force.” RotS, Matt Stover. "The Force will be with you, always."
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Shaindl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 4/4/03 8:54am Subject: RE: Betrayal (Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon angst - very AU) Updated on 4/4
	Diane, Do you realise how good your story is if you're generating replies as long as the ones here? I find it interesting how everyone seems to be against Atel and Le'orath. Personally, I see them as two women both fighting to protect men they love (albeit love in different ways). Atel is a creation of where she was raised - it's not completely her fault if she's been force fed lies and deceptions while growing up at the Temple. Le'orath is simply a strong - although maybe a little blunt - woman who only knows that this man who has suddenly walked into their lives is one who hurt her husband immeasurably. She can't possibly know about his struggles with the Council to find Qui, or what he's been dealing with. All she knows is that he's a threat to her husband's well being. Regardless, your two OCs are finely crafted, each possessing their own personality. Incredible what you've done in so short a space. Thanks for your comments on my story the Lesson. I have another idea to go with it, but I can't get it to work properly. I might give it another shot soon. Anyways - more soon from you? Please? I'm not adverse to begging! Shaindl -----signature----- Halfway Moment - Qui, Obi, Anakin AU - http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20110461/?0 - UPDATED JULY 3!
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