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TreeCave Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 12/31/03 10:11am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving - Date Edited: 12/31/03 10:15am (2 edits total) Edited By: TreeCave
	That's why I would never use any of those over the counter stuff to loss weight. That's hardly the only dangerous stuff sold at Rite-Aid. I am more impaired after a Sudafed than after a glass of alcohol. (Basing that on my ability to walk, talk and react - haven't tested my ability to drive with either, don't intend to). So anyone who has a cold or is depressed should not be allowed to drive at all. As for colds, I don't drive when I've taken a cold medicine because I KNOW my body is hypersensitive to them. If your body is not, you can take the risk, but if you guess wrong and cause an accident, don't claim it wasn't your fault. Don't people have any sense of self-restraint, of knowing their own limitations? Has the govt so become our daddy that we think anything NOT strictly forbidden is a fine thing to do? As for anti-depressants, those are not dangerous FOR DRIVING. Sorry for the confusion - they don't impair judgment. They are dangerous in other ways. Well, actually for 6 weeks after you start Paxil and other seratonin reuptake inhibitors (Zoloft, Prozac, etc.), you should be cautious about driving, because they can induce extreme sleepiness, and it can come on suddenly. But that's just 6 weeks you have to avoid long trips and just pull over if you start getting sleepy, or turn on loud music and cold air conditioning. It's a small inconvenience to deal with for getting rid of depression. 625 ILCS 5/11-501 covers any driver who is under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or any substance which results in impairment Yes. While the Listerine example was just being silly, the drugs I mentioned all come with a warning that states they may impair your ability to drive, and you should not operate heavy machinery while taking them. So nothing I said was "ridiculous". The point is that the impairment doesn't have to result from alcohol or illegal drugs. Again, some people are just so spacey that they are "impaired" when they get into an intense conversation with a passenger, or are busy worrying about their love lives or if they got the right cheese at the grovery store while driving. Even drunk driving laws don't prohibit drinking and driving - just a certain blood-alcohol percentage. It is your responsibility not to be impaired, and if you are impaired by something that had a warning on the label, that's your problem. And if you're impaired by simple lack of attention to your driving, you should realize that about yourself and exercise some self-discipline. The only case I can think of where someone would be excused for impaired driving is if they became ill at the wheel, which obviously isn't your fault.
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MyKe1138 Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 12/31/03 10:14am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving - Date Edited: 12/31/03 10:18am (2 edits total) Edited By: MyKe1138
	The only time that I honestly tend to temporarily lose control over my vehicle is when I am switching a CD in my stereo. Should CD players be banned in vehicles? Or what about car seats for small children in the backseat? Sometimes, I have to 'turn around' and tend to the backseat area, due to dropped bottles or self-inflicted harm (head bumps, etc.)... What's the solution there? Should, A: Small children be placed in the front seat... or, B: Should small children not be allowed in motor vehicles? -----signature----- "You're wrong. Soon, I'll be banned... and you with me." ... Sir "phrase deemed inappropriate by the Mods a year after the fact" of the Knights of The Sarcasm Table
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anakin_girl Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR Charlotte , NC Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 12/31/03 10:24am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving - Date Edited: 12/31/03 10:27am (1 edits total) Edited By: anakin_girl
	They need to learn how to drive they need to speand someone time in jail. Not too many driver's ed lessons there. And do you think you should have gone to jail for running a red light? When I was in college, a guy rear-ended me and threw me into the car in front of me. My hatchback Honda Civic was totalled. I came out with whiplash, a bruised leg and back problems. If I had not had my seatbelt on, I would have been thrown through the windshield. Should the guy who hit me be jailed? Hell no. It was punishment enough for his insurance to have to pay for my physical therapy and other medical bills. People who take Prozac shouldn't be allowed to drive? Damn--remind me to tell my husband he's got to drive me everywhere from now on. -----signature----- "A person should not believe in an -ism, a person should believe in himself." Ferris Bueller
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TreeCave Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 12/31/03 10:27am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving - Date Edited: 12/31/03 10:30am (1 edits total) Edited By: TreeCave
	The only time that I honestly tend to temporarily lose control over my vehicle is when I am switching a CD in my stereo. Should CD players be banned in vehicles? What a jump in logic! No, I don't think banning things is ever good - makes people think "If there's no government ban, it's fine! I'll go eat 8 pounds of chocolate, because it's legal". The solution is: you're aware you can lose control when changing a CD. So BE VERY CAREFUL when changing one. Maybe don't change them at all when in very intense traffic. Retrain your mind so that your reflexive response to a sudden traffic problem while changing a CD is to drop the CD, forget all about that, grab the wheel with both hands and deal with traffic. You don't need a govt ban. You've made an observation about yourself, and now you can improve yourself, either by not changing CD's except at red lights (for one example), or by retraining yourself not to get distracted, or whatever. All this applies to the children example, too. Just be careful. If you can't limit turning around to the backseat to red lights (I know that's just not always possible), then slow down a bit, and make sure you keep glancing at the road at least once every 7 seconds. Pull over if you have to.
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MyKe1138 Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 12/31/03 10:29am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving
	wow, A-G... Look how THAT worked out... YOU are on anti-depressants, and SOMEONE ELSE crashed into you. [face_shocked] He must have been on the patch or something to have caused an ACCIDENT... -----signature----- "You're wrong. Soon, I'll be banned... and you with me." ... Sir "phrase deemed inappropriate by the Mods a year after the fact" of the Knights of The Sarcasm Table
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anidanami124 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 12/31/03 11:28am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving - Date Edited: 12/31/03 11:34am (2 edits total) Edited By: anidanami124
	And do you think you should have gone to jail for running a red light? I ran a red light and hit someones car. I was inches away for hitting the passenger door and kill both people. If I live what should happen? Should I just get off with a slap on the hand and told don't do that again? No I should be in jail for running a red light and killing two people. If I had not had my seatbelt on, I would have been thrown through the windshield. Should the guy who hit me be jailed? Yes because he was A) at faulit and B) could have killed you. It does not need to be a really long time about a week or so. He's licnesce(sp) should also be taken away and when he get's out he will have to go through drivers ed all over again. But even then he should be warnied that if he messes up again he will go to jail longer and never be aloud to drive again. We are talking about a 500 ton car made of steel and other things. Are car's are not made to handle what we do with them. And when people hit you do dumb stuff like that and all they get is a slap on the hand a good amount of the time they have learned nothing. Edit: Small children be placed in the front seat... No they should never be put in the front seat. And if you really have to check on them that badly pull off to the side of the road. If your running late for something so what. -----signature----- Dark Lords of the JCC My Heros of Music Epica 1. Simone Simons 2. Mark Jansen 3. Yves Huts 4. Coen Janssen 5. Ad Sluijter 6. Jeroen Simons 1)ROTS 2)TESB 3)TPM 4)AOTC 5)ANH 6)ROTJ
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anakin_girl Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR Charlotte , NC Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 12/31/03 11:32am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving
	Could have, but didn't. And if you had killed the people you hit, it would be a different story--you would have been charged with either involuntary manslaughter or death by vehicle and you would have been jailed in all likelihood. But you didn't kill anyone. Using your logic, we can arrest anyone who carries a gun, even with a concealed weapons permit, or drives a car in the rain, even at the speed limit. They must know that it could kill people, right? -----signature----- "A person should not believe in an -ism, a person should believe in himself." Ferris Bueller
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anidanami124 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 12/31/03 11:41am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving - Date Edited: 12/31/03 11:44am (1 edits total) Edited By: anidanami124
	Forget this. I done having my word twisted around by ever one in this thread. -----signature----- Dark Lords of the JCC My Heros of Music Epica 1. Simone Simons 2. Mark Jansen 3. Yves Huts 4. Coen Janssen 5. Ad Sluijter 6. Jeroen Simons 1)ROTS 2)TESB 3)TPM 4)AOTC 5)ANH 6)ROTJ
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anakin_girl Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR Charlotte , NC Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 12/31/03 11:46am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving
	Nothing, except jail is a stupid solution. People should only be incarcerated when they are actually dangerous to society. Someone who is in a hurry to get somewhere and has an accident is not dangerous to society as a whole. Licenses are taken away for people who drive that fast. These people are not dangerous on foot--why should they be in jail. And again, even if you carry a concealed weapon in a place where it is allowed, you must know it could kill people, right? I'm not talking about carrying it to school so don't put words in my mouth. -----signature----- "A person should not believe in an -ism, a person should believe in himself." Ferris Bueller
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anidanami124 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 12/31/03 11:53am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving
	so don't put words in my mouth. I didn't put word in your mouth. I was giving an exmaple. That I then knew would be twist around to say something I did not. That's why I'm done with this thread. I'm getting all my words twisted around here by ever one in this thread. I'm done with it. -----signature----- Dark Lords of the JCC My Heros of Music Epica 1. Simone Simons 2. Mark Jansen 3. Yves Huts 4. Coen Janssen 5. Ad Sluijter 6. Jeroen Simons 1)ROTS 2)TESB 3)TPM 4)AOTC 5)ANH 6)ROTJ
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Fire_Ice_Death Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 12/31/03 6:43pm Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving
	You said that in the abortion thread. I think you may need a record change. Sorry, but it's true. On a lighter note, I have a lead foot...okay, so maybe it's not so light. I don't agree that we should all follow the speed limit, it's impossible to do. If you're experienced enough in driving, I believe you can speed as much as you want, just don't make yourself a nuisance. I'd also like to note that the guy who created the first rules for driving never drove a car. -----signature----- A European says: I can't understand this, what's wrong with me? An American says: I can't understand this, what's wrong with him? - Terry Pratchett i.hada.field.AD But now that I'm older, My heart's colder, And I can see that it's a lie...
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Branthoris Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 1/1/04 11:43am Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving
	anakin_girl, your attitude to the writing of 'no account' cheques misses the point completely. Someone who writes a bad cheque, and receives services or goods on the basis of it, has committed theft, as surely as if they'd shoplifted in the conventional fashion. Imprisoning people for theft (entirely different to imprisoning people for debt) (a) prevents them committing theft while they are in jail and (b) deters others from stealing. It's entirely rational. This thread is not about jailing people who write bad cheques (and imprisonment is obviously an extreme penalty other than in the case of very persistent offenders). The bad cheques issue only arose because Mr44 brought up the Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause in relation to jailing people for dangerous driving (which is a whole lot more serious than writing 'no account' cheques).
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MyKe1138 Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 1/1/04 1:56pm Subject: RE: The social acceptability of dangerous driving - Date Edited: 1/1/04 2:24pm (2 edits total) Edited By: MyKe1138
	True story: I have been in 1 (one) accident in my life that was caused by me. Now, I am 'guilty' of the following: I HAVE used my mobile phone while operating a vehicle I HAVE driven while intoxicated. (I have been sober for seven years) I HAVE driven while under the influence of Heroin (I have been sober for seven years) I HAVE driven while arguing and being frustrated I HAVE driven while not paying attention to the road I HAVE driven without putting my hands on the wheel at all, rather using my knee I HAVE, in fact, let a friend of mine who happens to be blind operate my vehicle while I directed him on what to do Now, the ONE accident I 'caused' happened when I turned a corner and the SUN screwed up my vision... The SUN of all things... What's the solution, there? NOW, let me tell you about my near-accident just yesterday... I was sitting at a traffic light when I happened to notice a woman yelling into a cell phone, and she was obviously not in a rational frame of mind. I immediately began to think about THIS ongoing thread, and started to meditate on some of the points that have been made. When the light turned green, I started to accelerate, but wasn't focused on where I was going, but rather on this debate, and I almost hit a car in front of me... So, THIS THREAD has distracted a driver and nearly caused yet another earthshattering automobile accident.... So, maybe this thread should be locked so that it can help further the idealism of a utopian transportation enviroment. -----signature----- "You're wrong. Soon, I'll be banned... and you with me." ... Sir "phrase deemed inappropriate by the Mods a year after the fact" of the Knights of The Sarcasm Table
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