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darth_paul Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 5/31/04 11:06pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	I agree with most of what anakin_girl said, except for two things, really. I think we do have a responsibility to provide medical care for prisoners, insofar as we must treat and prevent all conditions that could be life-threatening or particularly debilitating. Now, if the prisoner has a simple cold and is free of conditions likely to complicate that cold, then I say let him deal with it. But more serious medical matters we must deal with, because they are basically important to a prisoner's physical well-being and he can no longer deal with them himself. I would also be more liberal in use of the death penalty. I have no use for life in prison without the possibility of parole. Anyone given that sentence has obviously been deemed to dangerous to return to society, ever. In that case, there is no reason for taxpayers to pay for that person to live out his life. -Paul -----signature----- So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.
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Shroom Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 6/1/04 5:42am Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	I find myself torn on this issue. I completely understand that some people want prisons as horrible as possible to increase their effectiveness as a deterrent. But I also feel that the worse you make it, the more you brutalize the prisoner, the more likely they are to be unable to cope with life on the outside. If you have to become so hard to survive prison, or if it breaks you, can you really expect that person to suddenly become Mr Sweetness and Light on the outside? Is it not more likely that they will come out harbouring and even greater hatred of authority in any form? Will their view of normal human relationships be corrupted by their experience of the hierarchy of aggression they have had to become accustomed to inside? Is the experience going to leave them so that they are basically only any good for committing crime? Brutal circumstances do seem to have a very negative effect on people - look at the behaviour of some of the guards in Iraq. The experience of wartime brutality often leaves some soldiers unable to fit in to normal civilian life. Doesn't prison brutality cause the same problems? I think there must be a fine line to draw to ensure that prison doesn't create more problems for society than it solves.
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Crix-Madine Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 6/1/04 11:45am Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	Prisons and punishment should be a lot more harsh. We need to hang 'em out in the streets like we used to instead of spending so much tax dollars to strap 'em to a table and injecting 'em with the stuff that kills 'em. We need to lock 'em up in a small cell by themselves and give them little to eat, but enough to live. No tv, visiters, or weight lifting. They need to be punished, not go to some retreat. Coming from a fine educated Texan no doubt, why am I not surprised -----signature----- The will is everything. If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely. Are you ready to begin?
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Texas_Cowboy Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 6/1/04 12:22pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	Coming from a fine educated Texan no doubt Dang straight. -----signature----- Don't Mess With Texas: God Blessed Texas With his Own Hands Re-Elect Bush 2004 Remember the Alamo Remember Goliad Dios Bendice América Why can't we all just get a longneck
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Vezner Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 6/1/04 12:55pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	I say that they should bring back the chain gangs. Make 'em work their criminal butts off. Maybe that will teach them a bit more character. -----signature----- Say NO to socialism Say NO to more government control of your life Say NO to runaway government spending http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MQ2pk7kkm4&feature=player_profilepage Vote NO to Obama in 2012 and NO to his congressional lackies in 2010
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Short Round McFly Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 6/1/04 2:22pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	If our prisons were more like Puerto Rican prisons we'd have less people commiting crimes If you're thrown out of your home - Commit a crime and you get a free one with cable, internet access, free food, etc.! I heard a story of a fellow who personally knew a relative of mine and was put in a Puerto Rican prison for three or seven years. He caught a disease and everything. It was from Count of Monte Cristo-ish. -----signature----- Violence is cool when it saves your life "History will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." -Gandhi "Kurds dream about being homeless in America." -Sam Kinison
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MaceWinducannotdie Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/1/04 3:20pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	There's nothing like a prison thread to make me think everyone in the Senate wants to live in Iraq... It's truly appalling to see our tax dollars paying for prisons that are more like country clubs for the prisoners. Things like TV's, weight rooms, and computer access make prison seem like more of a luxury than a punishment. I believe all prisoners should have to do hard manual labor EVERY DAY to pay for their room and board (instead of the State taxing law-abiding citizens to pay for it). Also, all criminals should be required to make some form of monetary payments to their victims as a partial compensation. I guess they don't show Oz you the Libertarian convention. Prisoners should not live better than the average homeless person, other than having a roof over their heads. Gee, we can't y'know, help homeless people (other than putting 'em in jail). -----signature----- Talk is cheap and you're causing massive deflation.
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anakin_girl Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR Charlotte , NC Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 6/1/04 3:30pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	This thread isn't about homeless people or helping homeless people. This thread is about prisons, and people who commit crimes should not be living better than innocent people. Why should we be nice to people who beat other people, or rapists, murderers and thieves (who are, BTW, the only people I think should be in prison)? What does that have to do with Iraq? -----signature----- "A person should not believe in an -ism, a person should believe in himself." Ferris Bueller
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Guinastasia Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/1/04 4:38pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	If only because we're the better person? I don't think it should be paradise-more like an austere boot camp. I am also anti-death penalty. -----signature----- Founder of the Face Loran & Ton Phanan Appreciation Society Dark Lady of the JCC, currently retired Member of the Obi-Wan Kenobi Fan Club High Dominatrix of Flyboys, WJFC EUDF Captain, Retired Ravenclaw 0wns your sorry ass
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MaceWinducannotdie Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/1/04 6:27pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S. - Date Edited: 6/1/04 6:28pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MaceWinducannotdie
	This thread isn't about homeless people or helping homeless people. shrug You're the one who brought 'em up. What does that have to do with Iraq? Well, obviously prison needs to be as brutal as possible, according to you folks. So let's put Saddam to use as the head of all US prisons. Law and order all the way. -----signature----- Talk is cheap and you're causing massive deflation.
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Crix-Madine Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 6/1/04 6:55pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S. - Date Edited: 6/1/04 6:57pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Crix-Madine
	Gotta love the line of thinking: "Lock them up in a dark hole for ten years, starve them, make them work, hit them, put them in chain gangs, hang them, make them as miserable as possible etc." Now think about it for a minute, if you went through something like the above, are you going to come out after that and feel all lovey dovey, saying you'll never going to commit a crime ever again. No, you're not. You're going to come out an angry, bitter person who's probably more likely to commit another crime, possibly just as bad or worse. Stupid! -----signature----- The will is everything. If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely. Are you ready to begin?
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Texas_Cowboy Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 6/1/04 8:09pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S. - Date Edited: 6/1/04 8:10pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Texas_Cowboy
	And that's why you find a nice tree out in the open and get a rope. Or use some brutal medeival torture tactics. -----signature----- Don't Mess With Texas: God Blessed Texas With his Own Hands Re-Elect Bush 2004 Remember the Alamo Remember Goliad Dios Bendice América Why can't we all just get a longneck
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anakin_girl Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR Charlotte , NC Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 6/1/04 8:23pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S.
	Well, obviously prison needs to be as brutal as possible, according to you folks. So let's put Saddam to use as the head of all US prisons. Law and order all the way. MaceWinducannotdie: How would you have the prison system, exactly? Guinastasia: Understand that my opinion about how the prison system should be is based on my opinion of who should actually be in prison--and that doesn't include bad-check writers or pot smokers. As I said before, only people who commit acts of violence towards other people or animals, or people who steal. When someone like Osama Bin Laden is in captivity (if he ever gets there--don't get me started on the current administration's oil interests), I'm not interested in "being the better person". I want revenge on his sorry ass. Murderers: kill them the same way that they killed their victims. Rapists: castration with a blunt instrument. People convicted of assault against other people or animals: assault them the same way. Thieves: make them pay back double what they stole. Everyone else: why the hell are they in prison? Gotta love the line of thinking: "Lock them up in a dark hole for ten years, starve them, make them work, hit them, put them in chain gangs, hang them, make them as miserable as possible etc." Now think about it for a minute, if you went through something like the above, are you going to come out after that and feel all lovey dovey, saying you'll never going to commit a crime ever again. It's called a "deterrent"--if I knew that I was going to get stabbed myself, I'd be much less likely to stab someone. -----signature----- "A person should not believe in an -ism, a person should believe in himself." Ferris Bueller
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MaceWinducannotdie Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/1/04 8:40pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S. - Date Edited: 6/1/04 8:41pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MaceWinducannotdie
	There's already deterrent (except perhaps for some white collar stuff). Sometimes it doesn't work, both because people can still get away with it (and that's a matter of better police work, not punishment) and crime isn't always what you would call rational. As for your proposed solution, let's step in the old time machine and see if there was no crime in the Dark Ages (I'd also be interested in how many dead/beat-up/castrated people there were who were actually innocent)... What do I propose? I kinda like the current century. -----signature----- Talk is cheap and you're causing massive deflation.
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anakin_girl Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR Charlotte , NC Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 6/1/04 8:45pm Subject: RE: The State of Prisons in U.S. - Date Edited: 6/1/04 8:49pm (2 edits total) Edited By: anakin_girl
	You think prisoners should receive cable TV, air-conditioned cells, and Internet service when they've murdered or raped someone, or stolen from someone? As I said, why should murderers and rapists live better than innocent people who can't afford air conditioning, cable or the Internet? I'd also be interested in how many dead/beat-up/castrated people there were who were actually innocent The best way to solve that problem is to fix the justice system so that rich people aren't more likely to get off, and innocent people are. It's not like we have a problem today with people getting boiled in hot oil just because they messed up a recipe they were making for the king, or getting beheaded because they didn't give the king good enough sex. -----signature----- "A person should not believe in an -ism, a person should believe in himself." Ferris Bueller
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