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ShaneP Title: Lucasfilm Projects Gremlin(Manager ) Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/6/04 10:40am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney - Date Edited: 7/6/04 10:43am (2 edits total) Edited By: ShaneP
	We need a battleground analysis from 2000 to '04. What will Edwards bring, if anything, to Kerry's campaign in NC and Virginia? He has surprised me by hanging in there. Does he have a shot at ol' Dominion? If so, Bush would be in trouble. BTW, Bush is now tracking ahead of Kerry in Penn. Late-night election? -----signature----- Keep Your Words Sweet. You May Have To Eat Them.
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Darth_Deus Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 7/6/04 10:48am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	2000 is relevant, as I pointed out. Florida was stolen in 2000, and even less people will be voting for Bush this time. How many Gore voters do you know of who have become Bush voters? I know plenty of people who voted for Bush who are not going to this time. Heck, they were calling into the Rush Limbaugh Show in droves months ago! -----signature----- * America's Most Wanted's 800th Capture! * http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=28102 *** Captured by yours truly....
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ShaneP Title: Lucasfilm Projects Gremlin(Manager ) Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/6/04 10:51am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	Here's one analysis of Kerry and the coming month ahead: Bushie Aide says Big Bounce for Kerry -----signature----- Keep Your Words Sweet. You May Have To Eat Them.
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Master_Fwiffo Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 7/6/04 10:53am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	Oh for Cripes sake Dues, will you lay off the tired diatribe of 'OMG BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION!!!1111' That has been refuted so many times its hardly funny. But as it relates to the election, I hope the Media learned enough from Florida to keep their big mouths shut on election night... -----signature----- ------------- Just remember this one constant: Bonecrusher Hates You
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Obi-Wan McCartney Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 7/6/04 10:57am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	You know it. Everyone who voted or felt like they got screwed is going to vote for this time, we'll see how good Bush's crew is at getting his vote out. As far as McCain goes, I'm not sure Kerry ever decided he wanted McCain, I think he wanted the OPTION. However, McCain knew this and also knew he would be a marginilized and sidelined VP, given his political stances. Furthermore, even if McCain WAS Kerry's first choice, so what? How does that hurt Kerry? McCain obviously toyed with the idea, he even talked about it publicly before the hammer came down and he had to deny it. The fact that McCain was even a consideration at all shows Bush's weakness. They HAD to reign McCain in and use him. In addition, McCain is idolized by the left, but not for any real good reason. He is respected because he comes off as a decent, honest, and respectable man. He also happens to be a conservative. With McCain, you have someone who you can respectfully disagree with. That should be the NORM for BOTH parties, but it is a rare thing so that's why McCain comes off well. As far as the cost of business for doctors, the medical community has only themselves to blame for the state of health care. They had a chance to set up their own investigative body and they can still lobby for an administrative law system, but the Doctors weren't and aren't willing to regulate each other and call each other out on malpractice, so we have to get lawyers and career malpractice testifying doctors to do it for them. In addition, do any of you really think tort reform will lower the cost of insurance premiums? Get real, all it will do is give insurance companies larger profit margins. Don't blame the lawyer, blame the big business of health care. -----signature----- God Bless J-Rod's Wife! Obi-Wan McCartney: Model Forum Member since 1999! America's Beatles are far better than England's precious Rolling Stones
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dizfactor Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:03am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney - Date Edited: 7/6/04 11:04am (1 edits total) Edited By: dizfactor
	Referring to McCain as a "moderate" just shows how conservative this country has become. The real Reagan legacy. agreed, but if the choice is between conservatives running the GOP and lunatics running the GOP, i'll take conservatives, thanks. Dennis Hastert blasted McCain for wanting to cut spending on Iraq, saying that McCain didn't know the meaning of sacrifice. blinks for pete's sake, the man spent five years in a freaking cage being tortured by the Vietnamese. they offered him a chance to go home early, and he didn't take it, because Navy policy is that POWs should be returned in the order they're captured and he wasn't going to essentially take another man's slot out of turn. i think the Vietnam war was an unqualified atrocity, but even i have to respect the man's personal courage. between that and Max Cleland i find it absolutely galling that the Republicans have the temerity to accuse anyone of not supporting our troops. -----signature----- "Play is going to be for the 21st century what steam was to the 19th century." Julian Dibbell "You gotta love an elite killing force that you can fool by putting on a hat." Gryph
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QuanarReg Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:04am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	Actually it will be interesting to see how Edwards will preform agains Mr. Cheney. I watched almost every single one of the Democratic debates, and personally I thought Mr. Edwards was the least impressive debater up there. I remember him often getting caught up in his own words and contradicting himself. Mr. Cheney may very well beat Mr. Edwards. Also I find it interesting that now with Mr. Edwards on the ticket, that means that George W. Bush is the POOREST man in the election. Kerry being the wealthiest by far, then Edwards, then Cheney. I never thought I'd be able to say that George Bush is the least wealthiest man running for President. -----signature----- George W. Bush-Saving your ass whether you like it or not. "300,000 Yankees is stiff in Southern dust, we got 300,000 before they conquered us, they died of Southern fever and Southern steel and shot, I wish it was 3 million instead of what we got."
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Vaderize03 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:11am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney - Date Edited: 7/6/04 11:12am (3 edits total) Edited By: Vaderize03
	Just for the record, I do believe that Mr. Cheney is quite a bit wealthier than Mr. Edwards. Mr. Edwards has a total worth of around $30 million; Mr. Cheney filed upwards of that as interest income during the 2000 election, if memory serves. Personally, I agree w/Jedismuggler that Edwards will only irritate physicians who are fed up with medical malpractice. I myself am quite irritated by it, and if I were only voting finances, I would be Bush all the way. However, I am much more concerned at the direction this country is taking at the moment to be worried just about my pocketbook. As such, I am giving my support to the dems, even though it may mean higher taxes and/or lower income for me in the future. Anyway, gotta lecture to attend. More later. Peace, V-03 -----signature----- "Bring your pretty face to my axe....." B-O-H-I-C-A !! (that was funny DM!) "I'm what Willis was talking about"
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JediSmuggler Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:15am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	Obi-Wan McCartney Yeah... at this point, though, you have to look over the way things might go. The fact remains, the Chamber of Commerce will NOT be on the sidelines. Plus, Kerry/Edwards will be on the defensive over the malpractice insurance premiums that are driving doctors out of business in some states. In Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan, that is going to cause Kerry some problems. The Republicans could make very huge inroads if Doctor Frist is talking with other doctors there about their malpractice premiums - people tend to like and trust doctors a lot more than they trust the trial lawyers - particularly those who are involved in lawsuits. -----signature----- The military-industrial complex has kept America strong and safe.
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Obi-Wan McCartney Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:21am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	No you're right, I was just making the argument on behalf of the trial lawyers, but I agree that the image can and probably will hurt Edwards in some way. -----signature----- God Bless J-Rod's Wife! Obi-Wan McCartney: Model Forum Member since 1999! America's Beatles are far better than England's precious Rolling Stones
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Vaderize03 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:23am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney - Date Edited: 7/6/04 11:24am (1 edits total) Edited By: Vaderize03
	I can tell you right now Jedismuggler that most of the doctors around here in philly aren't huge fans of Bill Frist, or the conservative wing of the GOP in general. While the republicans are more sensitive to the malpractice issue, they have also irritated many physicians in this city by demanding abortion records and disclosure of the physicians who have performed them. Right now, that is a much bigger buzz-topic amongst the philadelphia medical community (arguable with the worst malpractice crisis in the nation), and Bush has not been credited with bringing any real reform. Most of us are looking to the state, not the federal government, for relief, as the dynamics of such an issue make federal action unlikely. Frankly, to win Pennsylvania, Bush has to win all the rural areas (which he did not in 2000, although he got more than Gore), and carry the philadelphia suburbs, which are packed to the hilt with moderate, pro-choice, pro-reasonable-gun-control, pro-separation-of-church-and-state republicans. Many of them voted for Bush the first time around, and many of them are planning on voting for Kerry. Pennsylvania is very much a battleground state in play. What Kerry loses in physician votes in this state he may more than gain in disaffected moderates/independents who either support him or stay at home. Peace, V-03 -----signature----- "Bring your pretty face to my axe....." B-O-H-I-C-A !! (that was funny DM!) "I'm what Willis was talking about"
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dizfactor Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:27am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	The Republicans could make very huge inroads if Doctor Frist is talking with other doctors there about their malpractice premiums Frist is the guy to watch for the Republicans. he's the future of the right wing of the party. -----signature----- "Play is going to be for the 21st century what steam was to the 19th century." Julian Dibbell "You gotta love an elite killing force that you can fool by putting on a hat." Gryph
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JediSmuggler Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:49am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	Vaderize03 Perhaps, but that puts a lot there. Pennsylvania is a battleground, but as it stands now, Bush is up by five points in the latest poll (Fox/Opinion Dynamics) - albeit it is before Kerry selected Edwards. A lot remains to be seen in this. Nader will probably make the ballot in PA. Keep in mind that the conservative Rick Santorum won re-election in the same year that Bush lost, and he's the major sponsor of the partial-birth abortion ban. The Detroit News has a poll that pretty much confirms the Fox News/Opinon Dynamics Poll (Bush is up by 1% 44-43; Fox News had him up 2 in Michigan). Survey USA had Kerry up by 10, but you sometimes get screwy polls from companies - Survey USA did NOT include Ralph Nader, who by virtue of the Reform Party endorsement is on that state's ballot. That said, this is all pre-Edwards-as-veep. -----signature----- The military-industrial complex has kept America strong and safe.
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ManoWan Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:50am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	Kerry/Edwards. Oh yeah. Start packing George! -----signature----- R.I.P Clone Theory. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mano http://www.cafepress.com/manoreza http://blogs.starwars.com/manowan
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 7/6/04 11:51am Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney - Date Edited: 7/6/04 11:53am (1 edits total) Edited By: KnightWriter
	Kerry/Edwards. Oh yeah. Start packing George! Come on now. It's just not that simple, and Bush still has plenty of supporters and votes out there. Speaking of Nader, Arizona is going to be an interesting state for reasons beyond what was initially expected, because Nader is officially off the ballot here. It'll be Bush vs. Kerry only here, without Nader to siphon any votes. -----signature----- Opposing Scrooge Economics since 2009
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