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Gonk Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 11/3/04 3:00am Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	mr44 said: Is it a temporary backlash, or an illustration of a larger shift? I think it would be very clear it is a larger shift. It's been in the works a while now. Or perhaps it was there all the time, and the only thing that happened was the southern Democrats, which always had the same values all along, took some time to get fully pulled over into the Republican camp in 1980 from when they started leaving the Democrat camp in 1940-1960. Again, DM would say this is just me and my (and others) "doom and gloom", but its clear that religion has entered the political process in a way that has not been seen in politics -- at least American politics -- in a very, very long time. In fact, ever. After all, once upon a time, while God once factored heavily in people's lives, he was on the side of BOTH the candidates. Today he is apparently only on one. While one side continues to go to church, the other side does not. Where does that leave you? It's a serious division if one side is going to be picking the people in power. You could see a growing number of American ex-patriots. If the trend continues and we see Republican after Republican enter the White House, what would the populations in the Democratic states do? Reach out? It's difficult to reach out to something you stand diametrically opposed to. They could demand more states rights perhaps. Attempt to decrease the power of the federal government. If that happens, the federal government might be obliged to give in, or very far in the future of course, face more radical consequences. Heh, wouldn't it be odd if a second civil war was fought over the north trying to secede from the union? "On second thought guys, you were right the first time about you and us. It's just not working out after all." -----signature----- What shall we do to fill the empty spaces Where waves of hunger gnaw? Shall we set out upon this sea of faces In search of more and more and more?
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DeathStar1977 Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 11/3/04 3:10am Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	Congratulations to my President for the next four years, George W. Bush. 10 thoughts so far... 1) Kinda surprised that there weren't many surprises. Everything kinda went as they did in 2000. I know, there was some shift in votes, but not much. Even the percentages within some of the states was similar. And aside from a very few states, none really shifted. Possibly Iowa, New Mexico and New Hampshire...thats it eh? So do us Democrats have to look forward to narrow losses every four years. 2) What was most annoying was that they really screwed up the exit polls...which gave me early false hope, before I realized they were just exit polls. 3) I think I just heard on the news that the Kerry/Edwards campaign won't drag it out past this evening...which is good. 4) I'm glad Salazar won and thus Coors did not. I'm also happy that Daschle lost. IMO hes been a very ineffective leader for the Democrats in the Senate. 5) From what I gather, turnout was high but not as many new voters as expected. 6) I can't say I'm not disappointed. I truly believe that John Kerry would've been a good President. I am very willing to give Bush a chance and hope that he does well over the next four years. 7) It will be interesting to see what happens with the Democratic Party over the results, including Congress. I don't think there will be as much upheaval as some predict. There will be some pondering to do over how to make some inroads in the South. 8) Have you people been up all night? Some of us had to get at least some sleep before we head off to work (6 am). 9) The fact that it won't be a landslide shows our country is still divided...yes, I know, obviously leaning just enough Republican. 10) I am so glad this is over! Now I can just look forward to the new Episode 3 trailer. And while I anticipate intense discussions with you folks over the next few years, no hard feelings. I've enjoyed every minute of it. And please visit my 'Official 2008 election thread'! Oh, and no official word on who won the 'War on Baldness'.
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Shroom Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 11/3/04 3:21am Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	I sat up far too late watching the results come in. I think a large percentage of the rest of the world now has its head in its hands wondering how that man could possibly be elected again. I just hope he manages to do something in the next four years which will halt the seemingless relentless loss of worldwide respect that the US is currently experiencing.
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DeathStar1977 Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 11/3/04 3:27am Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	One last note before I actually leave for work...What was reported early, but not really talked about as much later, was the gay marriage ban. Based on what I have heard on the news, IMO this greatly affected turnout in many states.
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Qui-Rune Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/3/04 3:28am Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread - Date Edited: 11/3/04 3:35am (1 edits total) Edited By: Qui-Rune
	My personal opinion? Bush won by a landslide. With all the rhetoric, opposition, hatred, animosity and accusations that were spewed (and is still being spewed) from the left over the past 4 years....this was a landslide victory IMO. Now we hear the voice of treason....wanting civil war and divisivness into seperate Nations. Now we see which side REALLY caused the "great divide" and is continuing to drive us even further apart. -----signature----- "Many believe that their destiny lies at the end of their Journey....but in the end it is the Journey that matters."
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JediSmuggler Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 11/3/04 3:30am Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	DeathStar1977 It went eleven-for-eleven. On the ballot in eleven states, passed in eleven states. By wide margins. Those will be taken to court, too, I bet. -----signature----- The military-industrial complex has kept America strong and safe.
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Bubba_the_Genius Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 11/3/04 4:01am Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	This victory isn't as big as the most optimistic conservative pundits were hoping, but consider the controversy over the war in Iraq. Consider the number of rock stars and TV networks that put their reputations on the line supporting Kerry. Bush still won a clear popular-vote majority, something that hasn't been done since 1988. And Bush's total popular vote count is the largest in American history, surpassing the former record-holder Ronald Reagan. This is huge. -----signature----- "It will be a hard life, but you will find out who you are." http://bible.crosswalk.com/
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Cyprusg Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/3/04 4:14am Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	Those will be taken to court, too, I bet. I can't wait. Bush still won a clear popular-vote majority, something that hasn't been done since 1988. And Bush's total popular vote count is the largest in American history, surpassing the former record-holder Ronald Reagan. This is huge. Clear popular vote my arse. It was 51% to 48%, that is not clear. -----signature----- The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge
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