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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 7/7/04 12:04pm Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	In essence, Kerry is going to run as a Dukakis-style liberal. Remember George Will's words about Dukakis. "Read my Lips: Dukakis got 45.6 percent of the vote." -----signature----- Opposing Scrooge Economics since 2009
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JediSmuggler Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 7/7/04 12:25pm Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	KnightWriter In a two-way race, that will not guarantee a win. If anything, it'll be a loss. Also, Edward is gonna have to get better at handling interviews. Tom Clancy was able to school that guy on Charlie Rose on 9/11. The link I have is to a tape of the show. Scroll down to see what the short version of the exchange was. After the attack, all Edwards could do was mouth platitudes. A novelist (albeit one who is highly knowledgable) had a better grasp on the issue than Edwards did. And that guy is Kerry's choice for Vice President? -----signature----- The military-industrial complex has kept America strong and safe.
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Cyprusg Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 7/7/04 12:32pm Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	Does anyone think that there will be a "surprise" at the Republican convention? That Cheney will withdraw for health reasons and Guiliani or McCain will join the Bush ticket? (or even Powell?) No, so much of their campaign is about being strong and unwavering. If they were to pull a stunt like that it'll show weakness, something that they can't afford. Besides, I don't think Guiliani and McCain are very fond of Bush, but they play on his side because that's politics. -----signature----- The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 7/7/04 12:34pm Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	In a two-way race, that will not guarantee a win. If anything, it'll be a loss. Of course it won't "guarantee" a win. That's not really the point. The point is that despite how poor a campaign Dukakis ran, he still garnered a ton of votes. It won't take too much more than what Dukakis got (relatively speaking) to come within striking distance of a win. Also, in regards to Edwards, anyone here could find some lousy moments for Cheney and paint him in an equally poor light. Perspective is key here. -----signature----- Opposing Scrooge Economics since 2009
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Mr44 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 7/7/04 1:01pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread - Date Edited: 7/7/04 1:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Mr44
	It is that perspective that perplexes me, KW.. See, I'm still sensing a disconnect of sorts, which I can't really explain. There still many people who are saying a variation of: "Before Edwards, I was going to vote for Nader." "I don't like Kerry, but now I'm going to vote for the combo." "I was unsure of Kerry, but Edwards adds charisma." etc... What I question is that how much pull does the VP have, and how does Edwards affect Kerry's policies? If people view Kerry as just another Bush, how does Edwards change that? If the Buzz is to believed, people really seem to want Edwards over Kerry. What no one has answered is, if that was the case, why didn't Edwards win the nomination? It almost seems that people are still unsure over Kerry, but Edwards gives them an excuse to vote for the ticket. All of this buzz has developed and we haven't even heard from the "VP Edwards," people are basically going off of his image. If he was smart, Kerry should have simply named the last Playmate of the Year as his pick, and he would have won hands down. -----signature----- When you enter a room full of armed men, shoot the first person who makes a move- hostile or otherwise He has started to think and is therefore dangerous... -- Colonel "Paddy" Mayne, co-founder of the SAS
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JediSmuggler Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 7/7/04 1:07pm Subject: RE: It's Unofficially Official: Kerry/Edwards v. Bush/Cheney
	Cyprusg Agreed. The fact is, the situation is still pretty much in Bush's favor. He and Kerry are still at a tie - and the Rasmussen tracking poll, which included the first day results from the selection of Edwards, still has Bush with a 2-point lead nationally. While Bush's top strategist is predicting a bounce, the AP kinda misreported it. The historical analysis says it should be 15 points. The bounce could be a lot less - or it could not happen at all. See the 1992 GOP convention for an example. Buchanan's speech probably was a big reason Bush Sr. lost (in addition to "no new taxes" and Perot). If the Democratic convention turns into a hate-fest aimed at Bush, it could be a disaster for Kerry. Rage at an incumbent president is not enough to win an election on its own. The challenger must provide a positive agenda of his (or her) own. It is not enough to say, "I would have done it differently." He needs to explain what he would have done differently, and why it is a better alternative than what the current policy is. So far, Kerry is not doing that, and if he fails to do so, he will lose. -----signature----- The military-industrial complex has kept America strong and safe.
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Ender_Sai Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 7/7/04 2:30pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	Also, Edward is gonna have to get better at handling interviews. Tom Clancy was able to school that guy on Charlie Rose on 9/11. Is this the same Tom Clancy who got mad at Mr Chickenhawk Neocon himself, Richard Perle? The same guy who said he had doubts about alot of the Administration staff; and although voting Kerry would be a stretch, voting Bush might be a problem because of your beloved neocons? That's the same guy right; Reaganite what loathes neocons? E_S -----signature----- In this truth he knew himself to be. From sinking sands he stepped into light's embrace.
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JediSmuggler Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 7/7/04 2:38pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	Ender_Sai Yeah, the same one. Care to bet that unlike Kerry and the Swift boat veterans, the Bush-Cheney campaign will not only make sure they will get PERMISSION for the excerpt of the Charlie Rose show to be used, but that they will be sure to get Tom Clancy's permission? -----signature----- The military-industrial complex has kept America strong and safe.
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Obi-Wan McCartney Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 7/7/04 2:57pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	Edwards is shakeable. I've seen him on the stump fumble a few questions, (which again just makes me realize how good a retail politician Clinton was, he never seemed to fumble any policy questions ever), but if he prepares for the debate I don't see Cheney springing anything on him. Edwards being a trial lawyer for so long is probably used to having a certain degree of control in terms of speaking, lawyers usually aren't interrutped and asked to answer questions. (Except for objections, but those are usually always anticipated). So while he could slip up a little bit, he will be studied up and I don't think Cheney will be able to shut him down. I do think that Cheney might be a little nervous and stressed out by that point, and I do think he'll be more vunerable to screwing up. Unless of course he is able to shut out Edwards early. -----signature----- God Bless J-Rod's Wife! Obi-Wan McCartney: Model Forum Member since 1999! America's Beatles are far better than England's precious Rolling Stones
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 7/7/04 5:44pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread - Date Edited: 7/7/04 5:46pm (1 edits total) Edited By: KnightWriter
	Well, some interesting new data from an MSNBC poll. When asked who they would prefer as president in the event of the incapacitation of the sitting president, people responded with 45% for John Edwards and 48% for Dick Cheney. A little different than some here might want to admit. -----signature----- Opposing Scrooge Economics since 2009
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Qui Gon Moon Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 7/7/04 6:34pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	Those numbers are a bit surprising given the amount of coverage that Edwards has received the past 2 days. Regardless of political persuasion, I'm not sure how anybody could possibly vote for Edwards over Cheney given their respective levels of experience. QGM -----signature----- FIGJAM
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Crix-Madine Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 7/7/04 7:25pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread - Date Edited: 7/7/04 7:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Crix-Madine
	A little different than some here might want to admit. I don't see how it's surprising seeing as Cheney has been the sitting vice president the past four years. I think the numbers will change as people see more of John Edwards. He hasn't had too much national exposure unless people have paid close attention to the primaries, which you gotta figure a lot of people (conservatives, moderates etc.) haven't. -----signature----- The will is everything. If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely. Are you ready to begin?
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Qui Gon Moon Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 7/7/04 7:29pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	He hasn't had too much national exposure unless people have paid close attention to the primaries, which you gotta figure a lot of people (conservatives) haven't. Yeah. We've been too busy counting our money. QGM -----signature----- FIGJAM
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DeathStar1977 Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 7/7/04 9:11pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	Regardless of political persuasion, I'm not sure how anybody could possibly vote for Edwards over Cheney given their respective levels of experience. Regardless of political persuasion, I'm not sure how anybody could possibly have voted for Bush over Gore given their respective levels of experience.
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Qui Gon Moon Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 7/7/04 9:21pm Subject: RE: Official 2004 US Elections Thread
	Regardless of political persuasion, I'm not sure how anybody could possibly have voted for Bush over Gore given their respective levels of experience. Left that one wide open... I guess I can take solace that the American voters have good sense when picking a President and a VP. QGM -----signature----- FIGJAM
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