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beajedi
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4/25/07 9:12pm
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insane. I totally forgot about this forum and I find it on google like almost year and a half later
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Obi-Zahn Kenobi
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If there is a God, i'm in big trouble. That's why I fear death.
Interestingly enough this is a reason for me. I had a vision where I saw God. He told me I was going to hell unless I converted to his specific Christian sect.
Too bad for him (or me?) I didn't.
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beajedi
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That's another question.
Do you feel accountable for your actions? If there is no God, then I suppose it would be silly to feel accountable for anything :-p
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Pepijn
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Why? Sense of responsibility has not necessarily anything to do with faith.
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beajedi
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it does somewhat. I think its a valid question. If you knew that there were no police, would you still drive the speed limit? If you were a bsaeball player and you knew that there was no way of getting caught with steroids, would you still try to be "clean"?
If taxes were on the honor system and there was no way of getting audited or whatever, would you still pay taxes?
We are held accountable and responsible for things all around us. We answer to authorities all the time, be it professors, the government, our parents, etc. etc.
I'm just taking the question of accountability to its ultimate level
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Pepijn
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beajedi posted:
it does somewhat. I think its a valid question. If you knew that there were no police, would you still drive the speed limit? If you were a bsaeball player and you knew that there was no way of getting caught with steroids, would you still try to be "clean"?
If taxes were on the honor system and there was no way of getting audited or whatever, would you still pay taxes?
We are held accountable and responsible for things all around us. We answer to authorities all the time, be it professors, the government, our parents, etc. etc.
I'm just taking the question of accountability to its ultimate level[/quote]
Lots of speed limits are broken anyway, with or without police. The point is, that if the authoritarian system is absent, there's bound to originate another system of social control, based on honor for example. After all, revolution is always followed up by another system.
Accountability and responsibility is not automatically a result of authorities above you, it can also be provided by good education by parents and teachers, which will eventually result in a set of moral values that is not dependent on a system of punishment if you break the 'rules'.
I fail to understand, though, what authorities have to do with faith, unless there's a situation where state and church are not properly separated.
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beajedi
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Pepijn posted:
beajedi posted:
it does somewhat. I think its a valid question. If you knew that there were no police, would you still drive the speed limit? If you were a bsaeball player and you knew that there was no way of getting caught with steroids, would you still try to be "clean"?
If taxes were on the honor system and there was no way of getting audited or whatever, would you still pay taxes?
We are held accountable and responsible for things all around us. We answer to authorities all the time, be it professors, the government, our parents, etc. etc.
I'm just taking the question of accountability to its ultimate level
Lots of speed limits are broken anyway, with or without police. The point is, that if the authoritarian system is absent, there's bound to originate another system of social control, based on honor for example. After all, revolution is always followed up by another system.
Accountability and responsibility is not automatically a result of authorities above you, it can also be provided by good education by parents and teachers, which will eventually result in a set of moral values that is not dependent on a system of punishment if you break the 'rules'.
I fail to understand, though, what authorities have to do with faith, unless there's a situation where state and church are not properly separated. [/quote]
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man this quote system isn't working at all.
So you're learning these "rules" by parents and teachers, wouldn't they thus be considered authority figures? Social control? What if I said something racist on the radio (i.e. Don Imus)? Am I not held responsible and accountable by the public?
As regards faith, I have faith that if I'm a good citizen and I work for the "system" then the "system" will work for me. If I pay my taxes, I hope that someday 50 years from now, I'll have social security.
Faith does not automatically mean God, mind you. Faith simply means something that you have confidence and that you can count on it to be there (i.e. social security) Church and State have nothing to do with this. The Honor system is a good example. If taxes were on an honor system, Mr. Bush has faith in that you will pay your taxes.
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Pepijn
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beajedi posted:
So you're learning these "rules" by parents and teachers, wouldn't they thus be considered authority figures? Social control? What if I said something racist on the radio (i.e. Don Imus)? Am I not held responsible and accountable by the public?
Concerning parents and teachers, they are not representing an unreachable governmental body, but merely individuals that are more or less on the same social level as yourself. The same goes for social control. The goal of good education is IMO to get to adulthood, so that you can get on the same level as your 'authority figures'. But I'll probably never get on the same level as politicians.
For me it's much easier to identify with my parents, teachers, neighbours, friends, classmates, etc. than with politicians that always say that they know how society works, but in fact do not really got a clue. How can somebody who's in politics 24/7 truly know what's going on?
If I should consider parents and teachers authority figures, than politics and goverments surely are not authority figures and vice versa.
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As regards faith, I have faith that if I'm a good citizen and I work for the "system" then the "system" will work for me. If I pay my taxes, I hope that someday 50 years from now, I'll have social security.
Faith does not automatically mean God, mind you. Faith simply means something that you have confidence and that you can count on it to be there (i.e. social security) Church and State have nothing to do with this. The Honor system is a good example. If taxes were on an honor system, Mr. Bush has faith in that you will pay your taxes.
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OK, I misunderstood you on that one. Thanks for clearing it up. Though I certainly am NOT going to pay the taxes for Mr. Bush. Even if he has faith in me. 
Aren't we getting horribly offtopic though?
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BAR_BAR_DRINKS
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i think Woody Allen said "i'm not afraid of death, i just don't want be there
when it happens"
yeah i'm more frightend how i go, then of the actual -AFTER-
where i go is where everybody who's died before me has gone     
beajedi posted:
That's another question.
Do you feel accountable for your actions? If there is no God, then I suppose it would be silly to feel accountable for anything :-p
"when i see god, i'm gonna tell him i was framed" (Way of the Gun)
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Death isn't so bad. Its the fact that its unnecessarily tolerated - thats what is really bad.
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Y'all know that Death looks like this:
Supposedly, you've seen her before. Once. You like her. And she likes you.
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beajedi
If you knew that there were no police, would you still drive the speed limit?
You clearly have not been to my town. There are police and people do not drive the speed limit....ever.
Except me of course. 
The problem with death is this: It's the end. It's dark. And it's well, death.
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beajedi
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SuperWatto posted:
Y'all know that Death looks like this:
Supposedly, you've seen her before. Once. You like her. And she likes you.
she's kind of cute
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BAR_BAR_DRINKS
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SuperWatto posted:
Y'all know that Death looks like this:
Supposedly, you've seen her before. Once. You like her. And she likes you.
I remember reading that comic long ago...
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BobaFrank
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The Unknown. Regret. "Did I live a righteous life?" "Not ready to go yet, because there's still things I want to do." All the standard answers. Don't really have an answer.
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