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G-FETT
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Its always hard to work out what the government is actually doing during a Budget, but as far as I can tell;
Growth is down.
Borrowing is up.
Taxes are up.
Inflation is up.
In other words, the outlook, for all the bluster about stability and prudence, is pretty grim!
A fait assesment?
You forgot to mention that at the end of a decade or more of prosperity that we haven't saved anything.
Yeah, I think we'll look back at the period from like 1995-2005 as something of a golden era. I've got a horrible feeling we've got some really tough times to come. With a hung parliament likely at the next election and an increasing economic crisis, the next decade could be pretty grim indeed. 
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Its always hard to work out what the government is actually doing during a Budget, but as far as I can tell;
Growth is down.
Borrowing is up.
Taxes are up.
Inflation is up.
In other words, the outlook, for all the bluster about stability and prudence, is pretty grim!
A fait assesment?
You forgot to mention that at the end of a decade or more of prosperity that we haven't saved anything.
Yeah, I think we'll look back at the period from like 1995-2005 as something of a golden era. I've got a horrible feeling we've got some really tough times to come. With a hung party likely at the next election and an increasing economic crisi, the next decade could be pretty grim.
Don't worry the tories have the answer. More tax on alcopops.
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I thought the "alcopops" tax was just to trump the governments annoucement today that all booze is going up?
My feeling on the Conservatives is that Osborne is pretty clueless when it comes to economic matters. I wouldn't trust Cameron/Osborne to be much more competent than Brown/Darling. I don't know, neither pair inspire much confidence in me.
I wish the Tories could get someone like William Hague or Malcolm Rifkind, or maybe even Ken Clarke to come in as Chancellor. Someone with a bit of experiance. A safe pair of hands.
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I thought the "alcopops" tax was just to trump the governments annoucement today that all booze is going up?
My feeling on the Conservatives is that Osborne is pretty clueless when it comes to economic matters. I wouldn't trust Cameron/Osborne to be much more competent than Brown/Darling. I don't know, neither pair inspire much confidence in me.
I wish the Tories could get someone like William Hague or Malcolm Rifkind, or maybe even Ken Clarke to come in as Chancellor. Someone with a bit of experiance. A safe pair of hands.
Hague refuses to do it, Rifkind doesn't care about economics (he would only come back to the front bench as Shadow Foreign Sec) and Clarke's Europhile views makes having him on the front bench a serious problem and he won't do it anyway. You are of course right about Cameron and Osbourne.
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When you think that whoever wins the next election will only do so with a tuny majority, or possibly no minority at all, it really does make you think we've got some bad times down the track. I'm really fearful of a full scale recession early in the next decade and neither partywill really have the personalities or the authority to address to problems. 
I suppose we'll just have to see if Cameron and Osborne can learn their craft on the job, so to speak (assuming they get elected)
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As an arch traditionalist I suppose I really must give Darling some credit. His decision to use the 'original budget box' first used by Gladstone in 1860 was most welcome. Since it was first used nearly 150 years ago on Jim Callaghan and Gordon Brown have refrained from using it, instead opting for brand new shiny boxes.
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Just seen that two news polls are showing big increase's for the Conservatives. One YouGov poll gives them an astonishing 16% lead! 
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HERE's a little more detail on the YouGov poll. It looks as though the collapse in Labour's vote is as a direct result of the worsening economy. Some grim figures for Labour in some of those question/answer results.
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More grim polling for Labour, this time showing Boris Johnson racing into a 12 point lead over Ken Livingstone in the London Mayrol election.
If Brown was to lose London, particularly a strong character like Red Ken, it was be a body blow for his government, wouldn't it?
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HERE's a little more detail on the YouGov poll. It looks as though the collapse in Labour's vote is as a direct result of the worsening economy. Some grim figures for Labour in some of those question/answer results.
It is quite amusing to watch all the people who thought that they cold afford a labour government now realising that they no longer can. Of course with the pathetic tory party ruling out major tax cuts until they win a second term they don't actually have a good alternative.
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Well its the same old story. When times are good the public will ignore any multitude of sins (even going war on a lie - Perhaps the worst sin of all) But when times are bad, you better watch out if your a politician, because the public can be unforgiving.
I bet if we'd have had the econmoic situation we have today, in 2003, Tony Blair wouldn't have lasted six months after the Iraq war.
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A couple of news stories and comments from me.
First off all I think THIS is absolutely outrageous. It's not for teachers to say whether the army can go into schools and its certainly not for lefty teachers to accuse the army of lying. The links between the army (and all other public services for that matter) and schools are vital. These lefty's really do need to get out of the 1980's militancy. 
THIS is an excellent piece of research from the Conservative Party. I think the slogan; THE COST OF LIVING UNDER LABOUR will get a lot of mileage over the next few months.
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A couple of news stories and comments from me.
First off all I think THIS is absolutely outrageous. It's not for teachers to say whether the army can go into schools and its certainly not for lefty teachers to accuse the army of lying. The links between the army (and all other public services for that matter) and schools are vital. These lefty's really do need to get out of the 1980's militancy.
THIS is an excellent piece of research from the Conservative Party. I think the slogan; THE COST OF LIVING UNDER LABOUR will get a lot of mileage over the next few months.
Actually it is for teachers to say whether the army or any other external service can visit schools on an individual basis. The Head teacher has absolute authority to ban or invite external visitors. It is also well within the rights of teachers to express concern over the recruitment of young (15 - 16 year olds) people into a career that does involve very real dangers.
I have, on numerous occasions, sat through presentations by the armed services. They are clever at portraying life and career opportunities. My own school has a good record of pupils going on to join the armed services especially the army.
I support the idea of schools having closer ties with the services as do the majority of the teachers who work with me in this "bog standard" comprehensive. Believe it or not, most teachers aren't lefty militants as portrayed by out of date stereotypes and the mouthpiece unions that we are members of.
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Welcome back D_A you firebrand lefty militant 
I do tend to agree with you on this point. Schools should be given freedom on such matters and if the Head Teacher is completely out of touch the Board of Governors can take appropriate action.
I see that the Tory administration in Southampton was short lived and has been replaced by a Lab-Lib coalition.
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Yeah, I'll keep that Red Flag flying  - Actually we are due to strike in a couple of weeks but there is little appetite for it in the current (economic) climate.
Yeah, Labour and the Lib Dems are so hungry for power here they have decided to work together - they aren't very popular at the moment though, so here's hoping...... speak to anyone is the city and they'll tell you how pissed off they are. Problem is the very same people will either vote for the current bunch of amateurs or not vote at all. So we'll have more flats, more shops, more bloody traffic lights and mini round-a-bouts and more utter pish about Southampton's "wow" factor. Whatever that is!!!
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