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LostOnHoth
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6/21/07 4:34pm
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RE: Middle East Politics Discussion v2.0
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What I mean is that there will never be harmony amongst the Palestinians and there will never be harmony amongst the Israelis. There will always be those in both camps that are idealogically opposed to the existence of the other.
So, assuming this to be the case, the way forward is for the Israeli and Palestinian governments to manage that opposition, ie, to take steps to contain that opposition so that it does not create tensions between the two governemnts - they must work together.
The Palestinian people did vote for Hamas - but again culturally they went with the strongest, loudest, most decisive alternative. Arafat was dead. Also, Hamas have massive support because of its humanitarian operations within Gaza. Fatah had become too much of a political party and less of a charitable/humanitarian organisation. Arafat was also known to have amased a vast personal fortune and there were always long lines of Palestinians wanting money from him.
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Ender_Sai
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6/21/07 4:35pm
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LostOnHoth posted:
I think all the players have to assume that they will never get consensus - the trick will be how to best manage the inevitable and eternal conflict moving forward.
Well, I think Ireland is in part an indication of what could happen, positively, though of course circumstances vary greatly between the two.
But otherwise, it's got to be a joint Israeli-Palestinian move to peace so that the violence is marginalised and then managed - I agree.
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DarthArsenal6
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6/22/07 6:43am
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yikes !
Israel wont back down because of Palistein suicide bombers killing Israeli civilains
Palistien won't back down because of Israeli butal handling on Palisten civilans
a vicious cycle ! 
I too pray for peace and that joint-venture from both party Israel and Palistien come up.
I also hope that both sides learn how to understand and trust one another otherwise there wont be anyone living there.
Stop the Madness !!!!
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DarthKarde
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6/22/07 12:11pm
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Ender_Sai posted:
In any event, the best thing to come out of this split so far has been the meeting of Abbas' near-exiled government and the Israeli cabinet, which gives both an endorsement to the Abbas government as well as a sign of Israel's recognition of the way forward. This will split Palestinians further, between those who want peace at any cost and those who remain ideologically opposed to Israel on every level.
E_S
The only problem is that the new government (made up entirely of independants apart from one Fatah member) has almost no legitimacy in the eyes of the Palestinian people. Hamas can easily paint it as US/Israeli/Western puppet. As I said last week I really hope that Shomon Peres sticks to his word and pardons Marwan Barghouti. Barghouti is probably the only man who is lauded on the Palestinian street yet pragmatic enough to make compromises.
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Ender_Sai
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I agree, DK, but I think you also need to consider that HAMAS has failed to be a force in improving the lives of Palestinians. Granted the embargo did not help, but otherwise Palestinian moderates will be faced with a radical or puppet government with a chance of making stuff happen.
I agree about the pardon for Barghouti, however.
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Jansons_Funny_Twin
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An interesting series on CNN right now called "God's Warriors." Tonight it's talking about Jews, tomorrow, Muslims, and on Thursday, Christians. It's really nothing new to me, but some of my roommate's reactions to things, like the Massacre at the Tomb of the Patriarchs, shows how little many Americans really know about the Jewish obstacles to peace. Hell, my roommate didn't even know it was a Jew who killed Yitzak Rabin. People don't realize there are bad eggs on both sides. Sad.
All told, I prefer Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence by Mark Juergensmeyer, but anything that shows both sides' nutcases, especially in a format that Americans just love, is good, IMO.
The Lord Bless Charlie Mopps!
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Mr44
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8/21/07 10:39pm
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It's also interesting to note that the EU in its 4th day of suspending fuel subsidies for Gaza. Until Hamas's role is marginalized, or at least until it receives assurances that Hamas is not benefiting from the aid, the payments are going to be indefinately suspended.
It's an uncharacteristically direct action taken by the EU.
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