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Ender_Sai
Title: Manager Emeritus
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Date Posted:
11/16/05 3:54pm
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RE: Senate Floor Questions and Clarifications Thread
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FIDo, say "Dr Banner, I slashed your tyres"!!!
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Fire_Ice_Death
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Date Posted:
11/16/05 3:57pm
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Dr. Banner, I slashed your tyres.
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Obi-Wan McCartney
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Date Posted:
11/16/05 4:17pm
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Come on FID, read the thread when Ender got promoted, plenty of people questioned it, even if they didn't have a problem. Like me. I have no problem with Ender being a mod, I never had a problem with it, and I think he's a good Mod. (Even when he deletes the clever articles I post without leaving a response after.) It was an 'inspired' choice, because they 'broke out of the judicial mold' shall we say.  They picked a funny guy who injected humor and biting sarcasm in his posts. And yes, I was suggesting that your brown-nosing got you nominated. Like it didn't!
And for the record, I have no problem with Ender, I like the fact that he had an exhuberant personality, if anything, I'm more sad that he has to tone it down to be more "mod like." But this is all half hearted and in jest. Just kidding around brother Ender! (Not like the thick skinned punk was worried!  )
But one thing I'm not kidding around about is posting in soon to be locked threads. Let's just hope for my sake that I don't find any.
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Fire_Ice_Death
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Date Posted:
11/16/05 4:28pm
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Come on FID, read the thread when Ender got promoted, plenty of people questioned it, even if they didn't have a problem.
You said everyone. That's not everyone, and there was only 4 or 5 members that disagreed. Or is there a secret club now?
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Obi-Wan McCartney
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11/16/05 7:13pm
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The Hyperbole Police have got me beat. 
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Ender_Sai
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11/16/05 9:20pm
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I'm still biting, I just have to be responsible in the Senate. 
And when you take liberties with the English Language, OWM, the Grammar Police - be it the Verb Tense Squad, the Hyperbole Police with their dogsniffers or the Joint V/S/O (Verb/Subject/Object) Agreement Task Force - will hunt you down.
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Obi-Wan McCartney
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11/17/05 8:17am
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Yes, but what about the anti-flame police and the deletion of the needlessly antagonistic post made my Kimball Kinneson in the Interpretation of the COnstitution thread?!?!     
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DeathStar1977
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Date Posted:
11/17/05 1:25pm
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I would like to address a few issues here.
1) While I disagree with DM’s characterization of the Democrats, both in the cited instance and most of the time otherwise, I do not feel that what he wrote was anything close to inflammatory or inappropriate. IMO while it may have appeared to be a biting criticism, I would rather have an honest assessment that may contain harsh criticisms that are free of overly partisan rhetoric than a muted, pc response. The key of course, is rhetoric and hyperbole. Again, while I may disagree with some of DM’s statements, I find his e-personality to be a very welcome presence here. One of the main reasons for this is…
2) While I certainly appreciate the goal of encouraging intelligent debate, this shouldn’t be done at the expense of a free-flowing discussion complete with (appropriate) wisecracks, as well as the aforementioned honest-yet-direct criticism. There are certainly a lot of highly intelligent people here, and I have learned quite a bit since I started posting here…but this is a Star Wars political board, not the Yale debating club. Nor is it a tea party  , hence the reason why DM’s style of posting should be allowed, as well as remarks like ShaneP made about my new homestate of California…because bottom line is those guys, among others (i.e. J-Rod), can dish it as well as take it.
3) While I believe that the moderators overall do a very good job, I do have one other point. It appears that you targeted DM and also OWM recently because they have been around a while and ‘should know better’ so to speak. In other words, that they should ‘set an example’. If this is indeed the case, here is where I would have a minor issue with KK, for the reason OWM brought up, and Mr44 for the reasons we discussed in a recent thread, which I will use as an example.
My issue in the ‘GOP thread’ was that you, Mr44, were guilty of what you accuse OWM of doing…straying off topic. I believe that someone made comments on Goldwater, you flipped them around on JFK, then failed to address the topic of the thread when I asked you about it. To be fair, I am guilty of doing what I am surmising that you guys do with old-timers like OWM, which is holding you to a different standard. I am only doing so because you are certainly one of the brightest posters in here and I wouldn’t waste my time otherwise.*
The general point being that IMO it is more important to have an open, honest discussion that focuses on the topic of the thread rather than focusing on creating a unified and stringent ‘code of conduct’. There certainly should be rules against flaming, trolling, baiting, etcetera…but otherwise the discussion should evolve in a natural direction. If it evolves into a boxing match (free of low-blows and ear-biting of course), so be it. We are mature enough to shake hands afterwards.
*And I still believe that Bobby Inman was never officially Secretary of Defense.
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Ender_Sai
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Date Posted:
11/17/05 2:02pm
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DS, DM's edit wasn't about disagreeing with the sentiment, it was about what frankly that point was producing in other people.
Basically, what we need to do is get tough now so that in the long term, the bad habits are broken, and we have a smoother running forum.
Yes, I expect the two of them to know better, and that they don't says to me they expect some measure of special treatment, or simply don't care.
As I said, with the exception of one or two posters who simply will not work within the rules, we've been doing very well.
Look, as I said before I'm not even aiming to be perfect, neither is KK. Mr44 is, but you know his ruthless ambition knows no bounds.
The best we can give you is honesty. I looked at KK's alleged offense that OWM referred to, and I agreed it was probably a bit much - so did he.
So I acted.
Is there anyone else who wants to doubt us, just so we can get it over and done with?
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Obi-Wan McCartney
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Date Posted:
11/17/05 2:51pm
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Hey, why did I get lumped in with DM? (No offense DM!) And since when am I not "working" with you? I try to comply with your rules! I do try!
And yes, glad to see you edit out KK's flames from his post. Consistency is all I ask. Except when I break the rules, then I expect exceptions to be made. Like when I find the redundant or incomplete thread and post in it before you can shut it down! 
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Ender_Sai
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Date Posted:
11/17/05 4:41pm
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Cheerfully removed, OWM.
I've never been anything but consistent as a Moderator, despite as you noted earlier an intense amount of opposition to my judgement before seeing it exercised.
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Obi-Wan McCartney
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Date Posted:
11/19/05 3:48pm
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Kimball K posted:
First of all, OWM, I need to correct you for what I hope is the last time. Your spelling is atrocious, so here is your spelling lesson for the day (one I have given you several times before).
There is no "e" in my name. It is Kinnison, not Kinneson. If you can't spell it correctly, just use KK like a lot of other people do."
-I would just like to say that such posts are needlessly antagonistic, and would constitute some sort of baiting or flaming.
I ask my fellow posters to refrain from such personal outbursts, lets end the politics of personal destruction!
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Ender_Sai
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Date Posted:
11/19/05 8:08pm
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It has been dealt with, and I realise this is the precursor to some drama.
Just to reiterate offical JCC board policy; we ban baiters.
And before you claim bias when you come back, OWM, remember I warned you many times. I did everything I could to save you from yourself, and I'm sorry it came to this. 
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LostOnHoth
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Date Posted:
11/20/05 7:10pm
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Why was OWM banned? Assuming he was by such words as "when you come back, OWM". 
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Ender_Sai
Title: Manager Emeritus
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Date Posted:
11/20/05 9:10pm
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That's a matter between OWM and I, to which I think he's clear on the raison d'etre. If he wishes to discuss it, that's his call but I feel very strongly I ought not discuss it without his consent.
Suffice to say, however, it was something I was deeply opposed to doing and did try to prevent happening a few times.
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