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SuperWatto
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5/17 2:40pm
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RE: Atheism Discussion 2.0 - (Humanism, just don't tell Adler..)
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Commendable.
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nancyallen
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5/17 4:11pm
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DorkmanScott posted:
Why do you think they "hate gays"?
I'd say part of it is fear.
DorkmanScott posted:
Science prescribes no dogma to how to live one's life
You've already failed and the sentence isn't even over yet.
People are dogmatic about what science says, and that everyone takes what science says as fact.
DorkmanScott posted:
It may not be completely right, but it's far better than ignoring the evidence, remaining ignorant and calling it "faith".
Again, comments that make atheists look bad.
DorkmanScott posted:
All of them do that, "in point of fact"? I think actually just a few of them do that and you are, once again, lumping everyone in with a select few.
Masterzap. Superwatto, Vaderslament, you...it might only be a small thing to you but it all adds up.
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What harms religion is knowledge. What harms religion is the realization that it is, in fact, not reflective of reality.
I'm sure you believe that, the same as theists believe in religion. In a lot of ways you're no different to a priest, only your beliefs are different.
DorkmanScott posted:
Scientists, by and large, are ready to be proven wrong.
Would you, out of curiosity, regard yourself as a scientist? Because there are a few things I think I can prove you wrong on.
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To make a claim without any evidence is silly; to insist upon that claim in the face of contradictory evidence is, in fact, deluded.
Which to me and I'm sure to a lot of others would be classed as antitheism.
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DorkmanScott
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5/17 4:45pm
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nancyallen posted:
DorkmanScott posted:
Science prescribes no dogma to how to live one's life
You've already failed and the sentence isn't even over yet.
People are dogmatic about what science says, and that everyone takes what science says as fact.
Nice try turning it around, but you shouldn't do that when you don't know what you're talking about.
"People" != science. Science is not responsible for what "people" do, say, or think. Which is exactly my point. Science does not present a system of morality or a code of behavior. It is not a religion and cannot be treated as such.
nancyallen posted:
DorkmanScott posted:
It may not be completely right, but it's far better than ignoring the evidence, remaining ignorant and calling it "faith".
Again, comments that make atheists look bad.
Again, my comments represent the beliefs of no one but myself. So if you think it makes me "look bad", then fine. It doesn't, because it's true, but believe what you want But don't go talking about how my comments make "atheists" look, because I don't speak for them.
nancyallen posted:
DorkmanScott posted:
All of them do that, "in point of fact"? I think actually just a few of them do that and you are, once again, lumping everyone in with a select few.
Masterzap. Superwatto, Vaderslament, you...it might only be a small thing to you but it all adds up.
But some != all. Why can't you get that through your head.
Some is not all.
Some is not all.
Some is not all.
Stop saying "all" when what you mean is "some".
Stop saying "all" when what you mean is "some".
Is that clear enough? Or should I repeat it some more?
nancyallen posted:
I'm sure you believe that, the same as theists believe in religion. In a lot of ways you're no different to a priest, only your beliefs are different.
My beliefs are supported by evidence. That makes me very different from a priest.
nancyallen posted:
Would you, out of curiosity, regard yourself as a scientist?
No, that's an absurd question. I have a scientific viewpoint and approach the world from a naturalistic standpoint, but I'm no more a scientist for having an interest in science than you are an automotive engineer for driving a car.
nancyallen posted:
Because there are a few things I think I can prove you wrong on.
You are welcome to try. But I expect you to back your assertions with evidence.
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DorkmanScott posted:
To make a claim without any evidence is silly; to insist upon that claim in the face of contradictory evidence is, in fact, deluded.
Which to me and I'm sure to a lot of others would be classed as antitheism.
No, actually, it's the dictionary definition of deluded: "a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact"
And I said nothing about theism specifically. If you think it matches the definition, then that should tell you something.
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nancyallen
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5/17 4:55pm
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I take it being termed antitheist, upsets you in some way. Does it? Does being labeled antitheist make you angry? Does it make you feel frustrated? Does it make you feel hurt? Does it give you perhaps an inkling of why there is perhaps a degree of anti atheism about? As I said, reassure me. Don't say religion is naive, or deluded, or any number of insulting terms you could use. Say you don't agree with their views.
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DorkmanScott
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5/17 4:58pm
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nancyallen posted:
I take it being termed antitheist, upsets you in some way.
You take it incorrectly. I've already said that I am an antitheist in so much as I am against theism (not theists). Why would I have a problem being "termed" what I term myself?
What you want to "term" me is irrelevant. Either what I am saying is true, or it is not. And "delusion" is precisely what I said it is.
Having to go in circles with you again and again with questions that have been answered repeatedly is what makes me angry and frustrated. Playing ridiculous goalpost-moving and semantical games with you is what makes me angry and frustrated.
I'm not here to reassure you. Get a boy or girlfriend (I'm not here to judge) if you need that.
If you're going to ask a question, either listen to the answer or admit you're not honestly interested.
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SuperWatto
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5/17 5:07pm
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I'm not an antitheist...
I say, live and let live.
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LostOnHoth
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5/17 5:10pm
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Neither am I although I find most theists that I come into contact with come across as mentally unbalanced in some way.
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nancyallen
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And I find most atheists to be insulting and trollish in their words. If you have no interest in trying to dissuade my view of atheists then I am afraid my view of them, and my actions as it pertains to this thread, will continue.
And Dorkmanscott, perhaps you would care to explain how you can find time to spend so much time on the forums? Could it be that you need to find a boyfriend?
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nancyallen posted:
And I find most atheists to be insulting and trollish in their words.
Then you don't need to deal with them. You're perfectly welcome not to post in this thread, or anywhere involving atheists. As it is, you're the one going out of your way to antagonize others and, apparently, be antagonized by them. That's silly at the very least.
nancyallen posted:
If you have no interest in trying to dissuade my view of atheists then I am afraid my view of them, and my actions as it pertains to this thread, will continue.
So, once again, you are fully admitting to intentional trolling, both now and with an intent to continue.
Your views are one thing, and you are welcome to hold to them as long as you want. Your actions are another, and they are unwelcome here.
nancyallen posted:
And Dorkmanscott, perhaps you would care to explain how you can find time to spend so much time on the forums? Could it be that you need to find a boyfriend?
I'm not the one asking for "reassurance", sweetheart, but nice try. Would you like to add something to the conversation or just continue detracting from it?
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nancyallen
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5/17 5:38pm
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Intentional trolling? After saying no action will be taken about comments such as 'good **** riddance' I find you of all people to lay claim to trolling as an insult.
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Nancy, one more time, and only one more:
This is the thread where we discuss atheism. To come into the thread and start antagonizing atheists, unsolicited, is trolling. That is what you are doing, that is what you have been doing, and that is what you have just declared you intend to continue doing. You are trolling. Please stop. All you have to do is approach the conversation like an adult talking to other adults and everything will be fine.
You seem obsessed with certain topics and, I'm sorry, but they've already been addressed. If they have not been addressed to your liking by the atheists here, I suggest you find another atheist forum to harass and see how they respond to it. I'm guessing it will be much the same.
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If it makes you happier to believe your delusions I don't really care. But if I go about trolling, then so do you.
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Nancy, I am just going to ignore you from this point forth. As I have said repeatedly in this thread (and always to theists...curious), I am not interested in having an honest, adult conversation with a dishonest, childish person. And I think your "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?!" pattern of responses certainly qualifies as the latter, if not the former.
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nancyallen
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Time and time again you have made comments against religion, you felt the need to make personal comments and attacks on theists and when taken to task over your actions you act...how should I say this...childishly. I charge that you are trolling. Anything you care to say in your defense? Or should I take your silence as an admission of guilt?
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LostOnHoth
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5/17 6:16pm
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I think you should take his silence as putting the words Nancy, I am just going to ignore you from this point forth into action.
As to the topic at hand:
My fellow Atheists - do any of you feel like me - that belief in God is nothing but naïve? Or do you actually comprehend how someone can see merit in such a belief?
I can comprehend it for all of the reasons set out in this thread- see particularly the posts above in relation to the sense of 'community'. Also my dim recollection of reading Max Weber and Emile Durkheim during my sociology days allows me to see the ulity of religion as a social institution. The sociology of religion is fascinating stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology_of_religion
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