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Alpha-Red
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Apr '04
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3/4 9:36am
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - Cuba and Latin America Discussion
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So when was the last time in history that somebody sent troops to someone's border and actually pulled back? This isn't saber-rattling, this is pointing your sword at someone's face as the adrenaline pumps full-blast through your body and prepares you for the first swing. If people aren't interested in peace, then there isn't going to be peace.
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Jabbadabbado
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3/4 9:44am
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In 1968, the Soviets massed troops along the Chinese border. There were a few clashes in 69, but it did not lead to an all-out war.
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annikinstarkiller
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3/14 10:15am
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Rioting and protesting in Tibet.
Tibet
Whether Tibetans should protest China I wont directly address. The timing is of course, set in the buildup to the Olympics this summer. This, coupled with the closing of Mt. Everest (china's side) and the immediacy of China's reaction lead me to wonder how much control/stability is actually in the region.
Granted, it is a large matter of saving face, and a continuation of China's policy of leaving internal matters within their borders. But the sharp crackdown and further limiting of media dont seem to me the best image of itself that could be shown to the world right as China takes center stage. Live rounds and tear gas seem unacceptable against what might be (but we cant be certain due to the limits on media) no more upsetting than that which France had awhile ago. And were it a full blown insurrection, I dont see how the same issue comes into play to put it down quickly and efficiently would cause China to lose face internationally.
My direct experience with the culture is admittedly limited. Would appreciate the insight of those with a broader knowledge.
But one wonders. With the US and EU already suggesting China act carefully, could more such demonstrations lead to a general boycott of the Olympics, and what would that do to China's bid for further acceptance internationally? Dont believe it will progress that far personally. But another setup like Tiananmen square '89 would certain damage any progress.
Further, if Kosovo can declare independence and get rapid approval/recognition from many countries, would that set a precedent for Tibet to attempt the same, and further, would China's military capability and economic strength render any such action abortive?
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ShaneP
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3/14 7:18pm
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Further, if Kosovo can declare independence and get rapid approval/recognition from many countries, would that set a precedent for Tibet to attempt the same
I'm no expert but didn't Tibet already try that?
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Jabbadabbado
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3/14 10:00pm
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I think you'll see more boycotting of the Beijing Olympics for environmental reasons than for political reasons. Tibet isn't a big enough international cause to keep athletes away from the games.
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Alpha-Red
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3/14 11:03pm
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What value is Tibet of to China anyway? If they're concerned with "breakaway provinces" making off with their land then can't the Tibetans just do a Louisiana Purchase and buy the territory off China?
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Saintheart
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3/15 8:13am
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It's almost unpatrollable. I imagine that's one reason why China wants Tibet under the ROC. It's mountainous territory - perfect for guerrilla groups to strike from a la Cambodia and Vietnam. And it also forms the southern border with India, so there's a security concern there perhaps.
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Ree
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This may be a stupid and naive question, but can someone tell me why Serbia care so much that Kosovo wants to be independent? It's full of people that they tried to exterminate over 10 years ago. Wouldn't they want them OUT of their society? (My history is sketchy so I can never remember who were paramilitaries and who were the victims.)
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yankee8255
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3/18 1:49am
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Ree posted:
This may be a stupid and naive question, but can someone tell me why Serbia care so much that Kosovo wants to be independent? It's full of people that they tried to exterminate over 10 years ago. Wouldn't they want them OUT of their society? (My history is sketchy so I can never remember who were paramilitaries and who were the victims.)
Serbia doesn't want the people, they want the land -- the Kosovo region contains a large number of sites of major historical significance for Serbia. That was the point of the crackdown to begin with.
As for Tibet, China and the Olympics, I doubt there will be a boycott. The problem was giving China the Olympics in the first place -- there was supposed to be something of a quid pro quo -- China makes an effort on human rights, in exchange it can have the Olympics. China hasn't held up it's end of the bargain.
I remember the US Boycott of the 1980 Moscow Olympics over Afghanistan. Really an incredibly senseless waste. I always felt bad for the athletes, many worked their entire lives for that one chance, and an ill-advised political move stole that chance away from them.
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DarthBoba
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3/18 3:55pm
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Soo, China's saying the Dalai Lama and his supporters are behind the violence.
so, China is saying:
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I think it's quite safe to say that'll be about as widely believed in the US mainstream, at least, as, say, the X-Files being based on actual events.
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henchman24
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3/19 11:28pm
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The Dalai Lama needs to go home and lead by example, or shut up.
Its really easy to comment on, and tell people what to do when you aren't there. He has spent too much time in the United States.
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Alpha-Red
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3/20 11:11pm
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He may as well just call in for a reservation at whatever passes for the Chinese version of the Hanoi Hilton.
And how exactly is he out of touch with the situation in Tibet? Calling for moderation and non-violence is a stand of principle, and he'd be saying the same thing no matter where in the world he happens to be.
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henchman24
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3/21 12:02am
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Alpha-Red posted:
He may as well just call in for a reservation at whatever passes for the Chinese version of the Hanoi Hilton.
And how exactly is he out of touch with the situation in Tibet? Calling for moderation and non-violence is a stand of principle, and he'd be saying the same thing no matter where in the world he happens to be.
Your questions:
The same way you and I are out of touch with it, because we aren't knee deep in it every day.
The Dalai Lama saying that he wants his people to protest peacefully, is asking them to suffer and die for a cause he isn't willing to do the same for.
My Analogy:
Look at many of the gray hairs in the United States government who currently defend, or have defended the need to fight terror, and spread patriotism. Standing for your principals is fine, doing it at the expense of someone elses life is not.
I am not saying that violent revolt is the answer, I don't know what is. But telling a bunch of your countrymen to suffer passively under a regime that you ran from, is a crock and a half.
Summation:
I am sure the Dalai Lama is a good man, and like all persons, has the potential for greatness. He is not only the spiritual leader, but political leader of Tibet as well. To abandon his post, and then threaten to relinquish one of his primary purposes as a threat, to keep his people in line, is far beneath him. So he should be that leader to his people, or not! But no one benefits from him half-@@@ing it, and at least have the decency not to make threats to his already weary nation.
As to the Hanoi Hilton thing...thats no reason for him not to do his job.
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Lord_Vivec
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3/21 12:37am
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henchman24 posted:
The Dalai Lama needs to go home and lead by example, or shut up.
Its really easy to comment on, and tell people what to do when you aren't there. He has spent too much time in the United States.
I dunno. I thought people who were in exile weren't allowed back into their country. 
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henchman24
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Lord_Vivec posted:
I dunno. I thought people who were in exile weren't allowed back into their country.
The Dalai Lama was never forced to leave Tibet, he was not exiled.
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