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SuperWatto
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Sep '00
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Date Posted:
3/26 4:37pm
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - The Emerging Situation in Tibet
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No but if he'd stayed he would most likely have been killed.
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henchman24
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Date Posted:
3/26 11:17pm
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - The Emerging Situation in Tibet
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Watto I think "most likely" is an understatement. This however doesn't mean he was exiled.
There is a story about a mother who came to see Gandhi, and asked him to tell her son to stop eating sugar. He told the mother to come back with the boy in 2 weeks. She didn't understand but she complied. 2 weeks later she returned with her son, and Gandhi told the boy to stop eating sugar. She then asked him, why couldn't you just tell him this 2 weeks ago. Gandhi replied "Madam, 2 weeks ago I was eating sugar".
Don't tell people to stand up for, and most likely die for, a cause for which you aren't willing to do the same.
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DarthKarde
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Date Posted:
3/30 7:26am
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - The Emerging Situation in Tibet
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Yesterday saw Presidential and Parliamentary elections in Zimbabwe. No official results have yet been released but the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) are claiming victory. It is rumoured that Joyce Mujuru (one of two Vice Presidents) has lost her seat in Parliament and celebrations on streets of Bulawayo have been reported.
It's possible that Zimbabwe's long nightmare could be coming to end but more likely that Mugabe will refuse to go quietly unleash the security forces.
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DarthKarde
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Date Posted:
3/30 9:26am
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - The Emerging Situation in Tibet
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Unconfirmed reports on opposition websites are saying that the MDC have won 199 out of 210 seats.
Lots of rumours are flying round. Some report that Mugabe has fled the country. Elliot Manyika (a member of the cabinet) is said to have shot someone in rage after losing his seat.
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ShaneP
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3/30 4:21pm
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That would be great news for those people Karde.
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Mr44
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3/30 9:42pm
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - Our Old Friend Mugabe
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Yeah, Zimbabwe has a long, long road ahead of it though. Besides being the single country that has the highest inflation in the world, it appears that at least Mugabe's administration has fled the country and taken what was left of the country's treasury with them.
It's unclear if they are just temporarily hiding, or if they are planning on permanently disappearing. Mugabe has already proclaimed that any announcement from the MDC that they won will be treated as a coup, and Mugabe has charged the opposition party leader with treason... 
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Spike2002
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3/31 5:16am
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - Our Old Friend Mugabe
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I think that if the MDC and Tsvangirai manage to get as far as assuming power, Tsvangirai needs to appeal for international peacekeeping troops ASAP before Mugabe loyalists can mount a coup.
As for the result, Zimbabwe has long been neglected, and look at the state of the country now. Inflation at 165'000%, 80% unemployment and a starving population. Zimbabwe needs the MDC because Zanu-PF is doing nothing.
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DarthKarde
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Date Posted:
3/31 12:58pm
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - Our Old Friend Mugabe
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3/31 1:22pm (1 edits total)
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Official results are finally starting to come through. In the Parliamentary elections 66 out 210 seats in the lower house have been declared. ZanuPF have 31 seats. The main MDC faction led by Morgan Tsvangirai have 30 seats while the breakaway MDC faction led by Arthur Mutambara have 5 seats.
No results have yet been announced for the Presidential election.
EDIT: I have been looking a bit deeper at the results announced and things look quite good for the MDC. Many of the early results are coming from ZanuPF strongholds where they are not doing as well as they would expect. In Masvingo Province the 2005 elections saw ZanuPF win 13 out of 14 seats. This time the MDC have won 5 out the 9 declared so far. Even in Mashonaland East province where ZanuPF won every seat last time the MDC have won two seats.
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DarthKarde
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Jun '02
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4/1 3:19pm
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Results continue to come through painfully slowly. With 161 seats now declared ZanuPF have 79, MDC (Tsvangirai) have 77 and MDC (Mutambara) have 5. Despite some clear rigging of the vote it looks like ZanuPF will finish well short of a majority. Of the seats still to declare around half are in Harare and Matabeleland where ZanuPF have little support.
There has still been no release of the results in the Presidential elections but it is now strongly rumoured that Mugabe is willing to step down and is negotiating a deal with the oposition. Both sides deny this but the consensus seems to be that talks are going on.
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DarthKarde
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4/2 10:21am
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It is official Zanu-PF have lost their majority in Parliament. With 200 seats out of 210 now declared the results are as follows.
MDC(Tsvangirai) - 98 seats
Zanu-PF - 94 seats
MDC(Mutambara) - 7 seats
Independent - 1 seat
Still no results in the Presidential elections but the MDC have released results showing Tsvangirai on 50.3% compared to Mugabe's 43.8% and 7% for an Independent candidate. Zimbabwe state media are claiming that no candidate has achieved the 50% threshold and thus a run off between Tsvangirai and Mugabe will be held.
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DarthKarde
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4/2 4:42pm
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I do feel like I am talking to myself in this thread but stories coming out of Zimbabwe state that Perence Shiri has shot himself.
For anyone who wonders why this is a good thing please Google his name, Zaimbabwean Fifth Brigade or Gukurahundi.
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G-FETT
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4/4 4:16pm
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Looks like Mugabe's going into a Presendential run off. I don't think he's going anywhere. He's going to terrorize his people during the campaign, to the point where a lot of them will not vote and thus, with a bit more vote rigging as well, he'll stick around to inflict more terror and misery on those people.
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Mr44
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5/1 10:53am
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(moved to the new Mugabe thread)
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Alpha-Red
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5/15 9:36am
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So, shall we discuss Myanmar? Sounds like their government is highly screwed up. At least China helps its people when natural disaster strikes....
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Rogue_Follower
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Date Posted:
5/15 12:34pm
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RE: Official News Of the Day Thread - Our Old Friend Mugabe
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This whole situation brings up the question, when is it appropriate to intervene in a country when the government has failed its people?
I've heard a number of calls from commentators for the international community to just ignore the junta and head in with supplies and relief workers without permission. Time had a story on the question, and the Economist has a few articles, here and here. The US doesn't seem too keen on the idea, though, due to the possible precedent and consequences in the region, and it'd likely be shot down by China anyway. I think the strongest justification I've heard is for the UN to point to its "responsibility to protect" and intervene, but there's still the Chinese veto.
Personally, I lean a bit toward intervention, but I admit I don't know enough about Myanmar and the region to make an educated decision. Unilaterally entering Myanmar would certainly help the relief effort, but I have no idea what the repercussions would be and I really doubt it will be done. The Myanmar leaders seem to be allowing more supplies into the country now, though they're still stalling aid workers. Whatever happens, I'm sure the junta's little "constitutional vote" passed... and there are going to be thousands and thousands of dead Burmese.
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