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LtNOWIS
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12/2/07 9:54pm
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Yeah, a girl in my ROTC unit could easily pass the Army Physical Fitness Test, but had to loose a significant amount of body fat to meet the standards. I know from experience that it's certainly possible for some people to live a totally sedentary lifestyle and be thin. From when I was in out of shape a couple years ago to now, the only visible change is that my arms are bulkier; but having exercised a lot, I can run a whole lot faster and farther.
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man.
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12/2/07 11:57pm
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Some of the most unhealthy people I know are fairly skinny.
Skinny =/= healthy, by any means.
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malkieD2
Title: EuroMod™-JCC - FFUK-RSA Emeritus
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12/3/07 7:36am
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what relevance is your point? no one is argueing that unhealthy-thin is a good idea - it could as equally damaging as unhealthy-overweight.
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Espaldapalabras
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But if you were to systematically exclude the obese from benefits, isn't that totally unfair because there is a whole group of people who for their lifestyle choices are just as big as a drain on the system? Anorexia is just as much as a choice as obesity, why aren't they forced to pay the full cost of their care? Why not a barf tax with a fat tax?
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malkieD2
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12/3/07 9:15am
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How many times do I need to repeat myself before people 'get' my point. I'm all for making those who end up requiring excessive healthcare through their own actions be responsible for their own costs. This specific thread is on obesity, and how it is a 100% choice.
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Kimball_Kinnison
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12/3/07 9:24am
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chibiangi posted:
No, some of us contest the concept that being "in shape" means you can only have one type of body size and shape. There are plenty of people who are over a BMI of 25 who are active and participate in regular physical activity and by all means are healthy and in far better "shape" than their under BMI 25, couch potato, smoker, etc counterparts. In fact, one poster detailed his routine and the fact that his body is resisting further weightloss. His routine certainly would make him "in shape" IMO.
I'm a little confused here.
Who, in this thread, has argued that BMI is a good measure of obesity? I haven't argued that. I'm pretty sure that malkie hasn't.
If no one is arguing that it is a good measure of obesity, why are you using it to make your point? We're all pretty much in agreement there.
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Yo_Raja
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12/5/07 7:42am
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BMI cannot be a good measure of obesity, muscles weigh more than fat  But I don't think anyone has argued something like that.
I'd again point out that American/Western, or whatever we call it, lifestyle is one that just has to trigger obesity. Even if you work out, your body will still put on fat if you eat too much - as folks in the US or the UK do (I won't mention other examples as I don't know about any statistics about the problem).
Dudes, West is just too rich. We produce/absorb more edible goods that we're capable of digesting.
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Jedi Merkurian
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Interesting food for thought *rimshot* on the organic food debate.
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malkieD2
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I'd prefer to actually see the data, and experimental conditions rather than rely on the interpretation from a journalist. I'm not bringing the whole thing into question, but perhaps when you boil the data down the conclusions are somewhat different from the media spin.
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Yo_Raja
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Complete Organic Pregnancy? 
Hm, I see a derail coming... What does organic food have to do with obesity?
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Jedi Merkurian
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12/26/07 12:47pm
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Yo_Raja posted:
What does organic food have to do with obesity?
Well, one idea being bandied about is that part of the problem of obesity stems from the amount of additives, like MSG, high-fructose corn syrup, and growth hormones being added to foods. Organically-grown foods are free of such additives.
More food for thought *rimshot*
I've been on a rather strict diet since the 28th of November. I'll elaborate later on some thoughts of my experiences, but from Nov. 28 to Dec. 21st, I've lost 21 lbs  I was concerned that my "excesses" over Christmas weekend would undo some of my progress. Imagine my surprise when I found that not only had I not gained any weight, but had lost another 1/2 lb!
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ROTSFan
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12/26/07 5:48pm
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Jedi Merkurian posted:
I've been on a rather strict diet since the 28th of November. I'll elaborate later on some thoughts of my experiences, but from Nov. 28 to Dec. 21st, I've lost 21 lbs I was concerned that my "excesses" over Christmas weekend would undo some of my progress. Imagine my surprise when I found that not only had I not gained any weight, but had lost another 1/2 lb!
It's great when that happens. What did you do, the South Beach Diet? Even a balanced traditional diet followed rigidly doesn't usually afford that much weight loss.
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