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king_alvarez
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RE: The Senate Inter-Faith Chapel (Now discussing: "She Blinded Me With Science!")
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I originally had a  at the end of the sentence, but deleted it since I didn't think it was necessary. I used the word in a somewhat joking manner.
I only like to use icons sparingly.
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king_alvarez
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RE: The Senate Inter-Faith Chapel (Now discussing: "She Blinded Me With Science!")
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darthOB1 posted:
How did this get from discussing Science's impact on religion to What do JW beleive?
Quite simply, some religions are based on premises that are not or cannot be questioned. Science has no such limitations. As you have stated yourself, your beliefs are based on assumptions that you no longer feel need to be questioned or reevaluated.
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I have a hard enough time trying to figure people out when i can see and hear them.
Doesn't help me when posting at all. 
But to say I've/we've never researched, or never permitted any to research, is an out right lie.
Dont get information about a group of people from their "enemies" if you will. Chances are its wrong.
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Jedi Merkurian
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3/5 11:04am
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Jabbadabbado posted:
I think I could design a Christianity that will serve the ethical needs of America in a post-globalized world, but I recognize that someone may have already done it and saved me the effort.
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I believe we need to craft a new religion that will serve the socio-ethical needs of America in the aftermath of a global Malthusian collapse. If you've already found that religion, I'd like to join up.
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Jedi Merkurian, my praise doesn't mean much of course, but Bahá'u'lláh is clearly the greatest spiritual leader of the industrial age. He put spiritual ethics into the context of the modern world in a way no one else has. I wish he were better known in the U.S. His message is one that Americans could use.
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Lord_Vivec
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3/5 11:05am
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king_alvarez posted:
darthOB1 posted:
How did this get from discussing Science's impact on religion to What do JW beleive?
Quite simply, some religions are based on premises that are not or cannot be questioned. Science has no such limitations. As you have stated yourself, your beliefs are based on assumptions that you no longer feel need to be questioned or reevaluated.
Yes it does. Science has many limitations. Dark Matter, though not proven to exist, can't be questioned. When a prominent scientist proposed changing the F=MA equation for specific use in a galaxy's spin, he was immediately shot down.
And God forbid anyone ever disputes evolution.
Remember black holes? "Those can't possibly exist." Well, guess what, they exist.
Everything has limitations. Science and Religion.
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I want to give you an example of my feelings on "higher education"
My Father offered to open a college fund for my son. He said that they had heard we don't allow "Higher Education" I told him the exactly same thing I told you. It'll be my son's decision to do what he wants with his college fund. So my father has been depositing $1000 every year in theis "fund"
When the time comes my son will decide if he wants to use it to further his education at a University or if he wants to buy a car with it to be able to full time prioneer.
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Jedi Merkurian posted:
Jabbadabbado posted:
I think I could design a Christianity that will serve the ethical needs of America in a post-globalized world, but I recognize that someone may have already done it and saved me the effort.
(snip)
I believe we need to craft a new religion that will serve the socio-ethical needs of America in the aftermath of a global Malthusian collapse. If you've already found that religion, I'd like to join up.
Jabbadabbado posted:
Jedi Merkurian, my praise doesn't mean much of course, but Bahá'u'lláh is clearly the greatest spiritual leader of the industrial age. He put spiritual ethics into the context of the modern world in a way no one else has. I wish he were better known in the U.S. His message is one that Americans could use.
Nice Plug!  
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Lord_Vivec
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darthOB1 posted:
I want to give you an example of my feelings on "higher education"
My Father offered to open a college fund for my son. He said that they had heard we don't allow "Higher Education" I told him the exactly same thing I told you. It'll be my son's decision to do what he wants with his college fund. So my father has been depositing $1000 every year in theis "fund"
When the time comes my son will decide if he wants to use it to further his education at a University or if he wants to buy a car with it to be able to full time prioneer.
Nice father. Wish my father was cool like that. 
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king_alvarez
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darthOB1 posted:
But to say I've/we've never researched, or never permitted any to research, is an out right lie.
Do they physically prevent you from doing research, no. But they exert a lot of pressure designed to discourage outside research.
You are told to not accept literature from other religions. If you start spending a lot of time associating with members of a different religion, attending a different church, or purchase literature promoting other religions, you could potentially be marked as someone that others are cautioned to limit association with, lose privileges within the congregation, face discplinary measures, and essentially be shunned by the congregation.
There was even an article in one of your publications discouraging members from organizing groups to discuss different Biblical ideas that are not covered within the organizations publications.
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Lord_Vivec posted:
Science has many limitations. Dark Matter, though not proven to exist, can't be questioned. When a prominent scientist proposed changing the F=MA equation for specific use in a galaxy's spin, he was immediately shot down.
And God forbid anyone ever disputes evolution.
Remember black holes? "Those can't possibly exist." Well, guess what, they exist.
Everything has limitations. Science and Religion.
The difference, of course, is that even though certain scientists refuse to change their assumptions, science in general does not have that limitation. Scientific theories are constantly being refined, assuming there is enough evidence to do so. The Theory of Evolution is constantly being refined.
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Lord_Vivec
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king_alvarez posted:
Lord_Vivec posted:
Science has many limitations. Dark Matter, though not proven to exist, can't be questioned. When a prominent scientist proposed changing the F=MA equation for specific use in a galaxy's spin, he was immediately shot down.
And God forbid anyone ever disputes evolution.
Remember black holes? "Those can't possibly exist." Well, guess what, they exist.
Everything has limitations. Science and Religion.
The difference, of course, is that even though certain scientists refuse to change their assumptions, science in general does not have that limitation. Scientific theories are constantly being refined, assuming there is enough evidence to do so. The Theory of Evolution is constantly being refined.
The limitations that religion has also comes from those who are in the hierarchy, do they not? There is no "limitation" that comes from the religion itself.
But we can argue semantics all day. The point is that just because something has limitations doesn't mean that it cannot change, improve.
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3/5 11:19am
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.7% of the U.S. population are JW, as opposed to .6% who said they were JW as children.
.6% of the population grew up JW. .5% of the population joined up in adulthood, and .4% of the population left it in adulthood. 67% of JWs have switched affiliation from some other religion.
In terms of net gain, compare that to the Methodist denomination I grew up in. 8.3% of Americans say they were Methodists as children. 2.4% of Americans joined up as adults, and 4.4% left it as adults. But everyone knows the mainline protestant denominations are not in good shape.
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Jedi Merkurian posted:
Jabbadabbado posted:
Jedi Merkurian, my praise doesn't mean much of course, but Bahá'u'lláh is clearly the greatest spiritual leader of the industrial age. He put spiritual ethics into the context of the modern world in a way no one else has. I wish he were better known in the U.S. His message is one that Americans could use.
Someone that I respect greatly spent a lot of time studying the Bahai faith, and so it was something I've always wanted to look into as well. I've kind of forgotten about it until it was brought up in this thread. Do you have any suggestions for some good reading material on this subject? I tend to stay away from Wikipedia on subjects such as these, and so would appreciate any suggestions.
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3/5 11:33am
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king_alvarez posted:
Do they physically prevent you from doing research, no. But they exert a lot of pressure designed to discourage outside research.
Not encouraging and discouraging are too separate ideologies when it comes to religiuos studies. If your still searching for whatever it is one hopes to find you should not commit yourself with an oranization. If you have doubts as to the validity of something we reccommend to keep studying including what JW's have to say. Until the point is reached when you commit yourself fully to an idea/belief/faith again it is highly encouraged to research other relgious teachings. Saying we "forbid" it is an outright misrepresentation. People are warned what can happpen when you read what others say about an organization. Doubts creep in and faith is weakend. THAT is why we do not encourage looking elsewhere. Instead look outwards for solutions look inwards where you've put your trust and hope in the first place.
king_alvarez posted:
You are told to not accept literature from other religions. If you start spending a lot of time associating with members of a different religion, attending a different church, or purchase literature promoting other religions, you could potentially be marked as someone that others are cautioned to limit association with, lose privileges within the congregation, face discplinary measures, and essentially be shunned by the congregation.
Not accepting literature from other organizations is like an apple that has a worm in it. You don't need to bite into it to know there's a worm in it. If someone's action endanger the cleanliness and possibility to induce harmfull attitudes, yes, they are marked as bad association. We don't shun them but I wouldn't have my kid hanging around someone who cusses and smokes pot either. I don't want those attitudes in my house and neither does God.
Its really an excuse to do anything you want to; to even complain about that aspect of a religions way of self-preservation.
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Bahai Reference Library for the works of Bahá'u'lláh.
Another interesting stat. A third of the 63% of JWs who abandon the faith convert to "no religion at all." Percentage wise, the JW is a great source for new atheists.
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