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darthOB1
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RE: The Senate Inter-Faith Chapel (Now discussing: "She Blinded Me With Science!")
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Jabbadabbado posted:
Bahai Reference Library for the works of Bahá'u'lláh.
Another interesting stat. A third of the 63% of JWs who abandon the faith convert to "no religion at all." Percentage wise, the JW is a great source for new atheists.
Weird.
Its like all or nothing.
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king_alvarez
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Lord_Vivec posted:
The limitations that religion has also comes from those who are in the hierarchy, do they not? There is no "limitation" that comes from the religion itself.
I disagree. Many religions have some assumptions that are inextricably linked to the religion in such a way that they cannot be changed without destroying the religion itself. Those assumptions, therefore, do have a limitation inherent to the religion.
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Lord_Vivec
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Sometimes, even I find that the purpose of some religions is to take away the fun of life. I sued to think, as a kid, that going to church was punishment for something.  Perhaps this is what other people find in religions that are more strict, and thus turn to atheism.
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Lord_Vivec
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king_alvarez posted:
Lord_Vivec posted:
The limitations that religion has also comes from those who are in the hierarchy, do they not? There is no "limitation" that comes from the religion itself.
I disagree. Many religions have some assumptions that are inextricably linked to the religion in such a way that they cannot be changed without destroying the religion itself. Those assumptions, therefore, do have a limitation inherent to the religion.
Could you please give me an example of an assumption/limitation that, if changed, would destroy the religion?
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king_alvarez
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Lord_Vivec posted:
king_alvarez posted:
Lord_Vivec posted:
The limitations that religion has also comes from those who are in the hierarchy, do they not? There is no "limitation" that comes from the religion itself.
I disagree. Many religions have some assumptions that are inextricably linked to the religion in such a way that they cannot be changed without destroying the religion itself. Those assumptions, therefore, do have a limitation inherent to the religion.
Could you please give me an example of an assumption/limitation that, if changed, would destroy the religion?
The existence of God. The divinity of Jesus. The authenticity of certain scriptures. The understanding of the Soul (which the Catholics have done a lot of interesting studies on). The resurrection. Obviously these are different for different religions.
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king_alvarez
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darthOB1 posted:
People are warned what can happpen when you read what others say about an organization. Doubts creep in and faith is weakend. THAT is why we do not encourage looking elsewhere.
Vilifying something as a path towards evil or harm or eternal destruction is, at least to me, the same thing as saying that you can't do something.
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Not accepting literature from other organizations is like an apple that has a worm in it. You don't need to bite into it to know there's a worm in it.
Or you could say it's like eating apples all the time and then being told that you shouldn't eat oranges because they are poisonous and will kill you.
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king_alvarez posted:
Or you could say it's like eating apples all the time and then being told that you shouldn't eat oranges because they are poisonous and will kill you.
What?
No. Its like eating apples all the time and being told that oranges are just as delicious except they have more pectin than an apple! Or whatever beneficial nutriant apples have over oranges. When in reality it siomplly isn't true. If your body needs pectin your better off eating apples.
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darthOB1 posted:
Not accepting literature from other organizations is like an apple that has a worm in it. You don't need to bite into it to know there's a worm in it. If someone's action endanger the cleanliness and possibility to induce harmfull attitudes, yes, they are marked as bad association. We don't shun them but I wouldn't have my kid hanging around someone who cusses and smokes pot either. I don't want those attitudes in my house and neither does God.
Its really an excuse to do anything you want to; to even complain about that aspect of a religions way of self-preservation.
So criticism of religion is like someone who cusses and smokes pot in front of you?
That is so miscontstrued. If I criticize a pharmaceutical company or a politician then I'm endangering society for doing so? It is known that religion has a history of silencing those who question them and I regard this as a sign of their weakness rather than the strength.
Karl Marx said that the criticism of religion has plucked the imaginary flowers from the chain, not so that man can wear the chain without any fantasy or consolation but so that he can shake off the chain and cull the living flower.
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3/5 12:22pm
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This might be one reason for JWs' poor retention rate. By not exposing themselves to extra-doctrinal information, they become more susceptible to extra-doctrinal information when they are, inevitably, exposed to it.
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king_alvarez posted:
Lord_Vivec posted:
king_alvarez posted:
[quote=Lord_Vivec]The limitations that religion has also comes from those who are in the hierarchy, do they not? There is no "limitation" that comes from the religion itself.
I disagree. Many religions have some assumptions that are inextricably linked to the religion in such a way that they cannot be changed without destroying the religion itself. Those assumptions, therefore, do have a limitation inherent to the religion.
Could you please give me an example of an assumption/limitation that, if changed, would destroy the religion?
The existence of God. The divinity of Jesus. The authenticity of certain scriptures. The understanding of the Soul (which the Catholics have done a lot of interesting studies on). The resurrection. Obviously these are different for different religions.[/quote]
But how and what does it limit?
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Lord_Vivec posted:
king_alvarez posted:
The existence of God. The divinity of Jesus. The authenticity of certain scriptures. The understanding of the Soul (which the Catholics have done a lot of interesting studies on). The resurrection. Obviously these are different for different religions.
But how and what does it limit?
There wouldn't be much left of most religions if God did not exist, therefore,
God's existence is an assumption that the religion itself does not question. Christianity depends on the existence and nature of Jesus Christ; to deny Jesus would be to destroy Christianity. LDS depend on the authenticity of the BoM. St. Paul himself said that the belief in the resurrection was vital to his faith. etc.
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king_alvarez posted:
Lord_Vivec posted:
king_alvarez posted:
The existence of God. The divinity of Jesus. The authenticity of certain scriptures. The understanding of the Soul (which the Catholics have done a lot of interesting studies on). The resurrection. Obviously these are different for different religions.
But how and what does it limit?
There wouldn't be much left of most religions if God did not exist, therefore,
God's existence is an assumption that the religion itself does not question. Christianity depends on the existence and nature of Jesus Christ; to deny Jesus would be to destroy Christianity. LDS depend on the authenticity of the BoM. St. Paul himself said that the belief in the resurrection was vital to his faith. etc.
But how does that limit anything in real life? What does it limit us from doing?
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Vader666 posted:
So criticism of religion is like someone who cusses and smokes pot in front of you?
I didn't say that. Why would I hang out around someone who criticizes what I hold so dear? Why would anybody want to?
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Jabbadabbado posted:
This might be one reason for JWs' poor retention rate. By not exposing themselves to extra-doctrinal information, they become more susceptible to extra-doctrinal information when they are, inevitably, exposed to it.
"Weak minded fools!"
Key word extradocturinal ?
Your right, when extra-docturnial includes anything outside biblical teachings.
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Lord_Vivec posted:
But how does that limit anything in real life? What does it limit us from doing?
My post was in response to your questions:
"The limitations that religion has also comes from those who are in the hierarchy, do they not? There is no "limitation" that comes from the religion itself."
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"Could you please give me an example of an assumption/limitation that, if changed, would destroy the religion?"
I responded with examples of assumptions that are not questioned by the religion itself because those assumptions, if false, would destroy the specific religion. They are limitations as to what the religion will question in regards to truthfulness.
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