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Author	Topic: People Who Are Screwing Up America: Scott Harshbarger/Myron Magnet/Peter Singer/Marvin Olasky
Kimball_Kinnison Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 9/12/06 8:14pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	KnightWriter posted: Some people, like you, can get by without a cell phone. For others, like me, they are a necessity. no doubts there. i agree. my overall question is whether or not a person has the right not to have to listen to private conversations and details (sometimes particularly private) of another person's life. if cell phones are ever allowed to be used during flights, that would present a major question. in such a case, you couldn't really escape it. Except that isn't a privacy concern, but falls more into a disturbance of the peace. When someone has a loud conversation near you, they aren't invading your privacy. They are disturbing your peace. I know that may seem like splitting hairs, but by trying to identify everything as a privacy violation, it cheapens those actual and real privacy violations that do occur. For example, three weeks ago, I discovered that I had been a victim of identity theft (although fortunately not in a financial manner). Circuit City Stores, Inc. violated my privacy by obtaining a copy of my credit report without my authorization and without my knowledge. I had purchased a computer from them a month earlier, using my personal credit card, billing address at my apartment. I picked it up from the store located a mile from my apartment. At no time did I give them any information that I might live anywhere but Northern Virginia. Three weeks ago, they called me at 11:40pm to take a survey about my computer purchase. In the course of asking if they knew what time it was (I had already been asleep), I discovered that they thought that I lived in the same town as my parents, near Spokane, Washington. The only place they could have gotten that information was from my credit report (as I was included on my parents' credit card when they moved so I could handle some financial details for them in selling their house). I am in the process of fililng the proper complaints with law enforcement and the BBB. That is a real invasion of privacy. Look in the news, at what Patricia Dunn of HP did recently (having PIs obtain phone records of HP board memebers and members of the press through "pretexting", impersonating the person whose records you want to obtain) for another clear example. Someone disturbing your peace by talking too loud on a cell phone is a nuisance, but it is not an invasion of your privacy, and calling it such cheapens the real invasions of privacy. Kimball Kinnison -----signature----- You deserve the wrath of Kimball...- OWM Why, Kimball... I didn't know you had it in you.- KW I think that Kimball just made a joke, and a funny joke at that.- Raven Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?
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Lowbacca_1977 Title: Senate Moderator Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 9/12/06 9:57pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	KnightWriter posted: Some people, like you, can get by without a cell phone. For others, like me, they are a necessity. no doubts there. i agree. my overall question is whether or not a person has the right not to have to listen to private conversations and details (sometimes particularly private) of another person's life. if cell phones are ever allowed to be used during flights, that would present a major question. in such a case, you couldn't really escape it. i'd agree on this point with Kimball. Thats not a privacy issue. Its certainly rude, but I think its almost first ammendment for public places, and in areas like airplanes its up to the company. There isn't anything with privacy rights that says other people have to be quiet in public places any more than privacy rights means I don't have to hear someone talk to a friend standing with them about their personal life. as for cell phones... i'm rather mixed. While I have one and carry it with me, I don't use it much. As in, it was last used before the weekend. Part of it is that my cell phone has become increasingly important for me both because i tend to need to meet up with people at crowded locations (Disneyland, a key example) and also because one of my jobs involves working on location, and so having a cell phone has meant that I've been able to get a hold of either the office or my bosses if something goes wrong. Of course, there's a time and a place for them, I think, but thats an issue of personal responsibility. For example, the guy in a full bed pick-up truck that changed lanes without signaling and I had to swerve around probably shouldn't have been on a cell phone. Have them, but be responsible about them.
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morrison85 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 9/13/06 2:06am Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	well i have a mobile phone but i hardly use it (and its old) and i am always half amused half annoyed about people who riode the suburb /city s bahns(metro...tube etc.) and phone so loud that all of the wagon can overhear it. what i do not like is people who talk to you loud on the phine , i use to hold the phone then at least 10 to 20 cm from my ear away:P -----signature----- e-sis of Darth Gangrenous
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 9/13/06 7:06am Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	I think this list grew to considerably more than just a hundred people if we're including everyone who's obnoxious on their cell-phones. I thankfully don't meet to many of these people, as I mostly get around on foot or on a bycicle. -----signature----- Bantam-Spectra To Release Glove Of Darth Vader, Jedi Academy Trilogy, and Darksaber in special limited-edition 'Dark Hand Of Mediocrity' box set
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ShaneP Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 9/13/06 1:26pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User - Date Edited: 9/13/06 1:27pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ShaneP
	Oh, how I hate these pe... Excuse me. Hello! Hey, how are you? What's up? Hey, can I call you back? Bye. Sorry, I was saying these people drive me nu... Wait a second.. Hello. Oh yeah...hold on a second. Sorry, but I have a call. Later... -----signature----- It was as if a million middle-aged virgins just farted with rage and were suddenly silenced.
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Mr44 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 9/13/06 1:53pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	How about cell phone company commercials, which I would say are probably more annoying... -----signature----- When you enter a room full of armed men, shoot the first person who makes a move- hostile or otherwise He has started to think and is therefore dangerous... -- Colonel "Paddy" Mayne, co-founder of the SAS
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Fire_Ice_Death Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 9/13/06 1:57pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	I think those, "Head-on: apply it directly to the forehead," commercials are more annoying. I dislike people with blue tooth sets. Not so much because they're self-important jerks, but because they look like they're talking to themselves. I think to myself, "I always wanted to visit New York, now I can just go to the mall for an authentic New York experience." -----signature----- Humor is my shield. Sarcasm my sword. The Changing Face of America: What can brown do for you? Gamertag: FIDo Almighty Remember: Frank Miller hates you.
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ShaneP Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 9/13/06 2:04pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	I couldn't even figure out what the heck that Head-On stuff was until I saw the other ad and they actuall mentioned it was a topical anelgesic. Should be ANALgesic. Head-On......apply directly to the wastebin Head-On......apply directly to the wastebin Mr44, just about everything associated with cellphones is annoying. Hold-On....applying phone directly to my ear. Hold-On....applying phone directly to my ear. -----signature----- It was as if a million middle-aged virgins just farted with rage and were suddenly silenced.
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 9/13/06 2:33pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	Im definetely with this one and the cell phone zeitgeist isnt just making Americans look like efficious islands of themselves, either. This is a human problem. They became a necessity before anyone could even blink. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/13/06 7:29pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	Interesting thing though is that Goldberg starts his whole book with an anecdote about someone cursing loudly on a cell phone. At what point, I wonder, does it become real disturbance of the peace? Profanity is what Goldberg brings up and I recall Something Awful doing a great bit about people telling nasty stories or graphic sexual encounters on a cell phone in a public place. I wonder where the line is drawn; would we defend the things we hear on cell phones if they were simply yelled by someone without a cell phone or would we tell them to shut up? I wonder. I mean, there is a reason why the phone is in our house, our office and our car; because it's usually private stuff. Come on, did they or did they not build booths for phones way back when? What was the logic? Basically, people on the phone tend to be unselfaware, so let's get them somewhere so that they can't disturb others. What's wrong with having cell-phone free areas where they have to be on vibrate and if they ring, you don't answer them until you leave the area? What's the problem with that? -----signature----- I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough Without having ever felt sorry for itself.
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Espaldapalabras Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 9/13/06 7:58pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	I have a cell phone, but hardly use it. The one time I tried to check my voicemail while driving I ran a red light and almost t-boned some guy, and part of the cell phone/Ipod problem is that it removes your awareness to things happening around you. People just don't get when it is not appropriate to have your cell phone on. I am guilty of leaving it on, for example, during class but if it rings I hang up on the person and turn it off. -----signature----- A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. Theodore Roosevelt We should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
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Lowbacca_1977 Title: Senate Moderator Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 9/13/06 10:56pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	Rogue1-and-a-half posted: What's wrong with having cell-phone free areas where they have to be on vibrate and if they ring, you don't answer them until you leave the area? What's the problem with that? If a business chooses to enforce an anti-cell phone rule or they ask you to leave, thats fine by me. And on the commercials... the cingular commercials with the bars rock. and that is nearly the only good cell phone commercial. that and the one that ended with "why do you even have a cell phone" "because its shiny"
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Sarahthenerd Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 9/14/06 12:44pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	Confession time: I don't let anybody leave the house without a mobile phone. This is because I have a frankly very unpleasant Anxiety Syndrome Thing, and I get scared if someone's even a little bit late and have to call them. That's why if someone says they would happily ban all mobile phones, I think, 'Oh, please, no. Some of us depend on them.' winces And my own phone is so old it doesn't fit in my pocket, and the screen is black-and-white. -----signature----- My Other Username is female_obi_wan Qui-Gon's journals: The Green Stone Trilogy....http://www.heartstars.net/sw/greenstonetrilogy.html
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Souderwan Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 9/14/06 1:19pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	The problem isn't cell phones and/or their use. Cell phones are a technology that has largely improved our lives. The problem is that people have grown more and more narcissistic and rude. Talking on the cell phone during a Broadway musical (watched this happen once) is a function of excessive self-importance. -----signature----- "When we hurt each other we should write it down in the sand, so the winds of forgiveness can make it go away for good. When we help each other we should chisel it in stone, lest we never forget the love of a friend." ~Godefroy
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 9/14/06 3:46pm Subject: RE: 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: The Obnoxiously Loud and Constant Cell Phone User
	The problem isn't cell phones and/or their use. Cell phones are a technology that has largely improved our lives. The problem is that people have grown more and more narcissistic and rude. Talking on the cell phone during a Broadway musical (watched this happen once) is a function of excessive self-importance Absolutely. The problem isnt the cell phone at all. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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