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Gonk
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9/21/06 4:52pm
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From this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/pakistan.threat.ap/index.html
Opinions? Thoughts?
Actually, I'll start with my own:
After his country created and supported the Taliban, who gave succor to Bin Laden and encouraged extremism, and also encouraged terror against Indian targets and has been responsible for nuclear proliferation...
GOOD, YOU **********!!!! YOU DESERVED TO BE BOMBED!
He sits there and has the audacity to say, after 9.11 he was told he would be bomed into the stone age and say "well, I thought it was a rude remark"
He should be thankful he was given the bloody option. He should be thankful the US allowed Pakistan to continue to exist. And this guy is your ally? He's only helping out because he's afraid of his country getting what it deserves. Seriously, Syria and Iran are better allies when they're your enemies than when Pakistan claims friendship.
I'm really pissed off with that place. You want your culprits for 9.11, there they are. Not in Iraq, not in Iran, not in Syria: in Pakistan.
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severian28
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This is why I laugh at all the hypocritical rhetoric about Hugo Chavez. Our days of picking and choosing what madman we go to bed with and the corporate and political posturing that goes with tha has to come to an end.
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Gonk
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Chavez isn't militarily threatening anyone, and is not ever going to rule over a country that will become a superpower, so he will go away. He's more of a crackpot than a criminal.
Mousharraf is a savvy persona who knows he's left holding the bag for the crimes his country before he came to power.
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Darth_Guy
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Aw, the poor military dictator feels bullied. 
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I dunno. I'm not willing to pass judgement on the guy that quickly. It's probably safe to say that if Musharraf knew that bin Laden was going to do what he did, he would not have supported those guys. I'd at least give him some props for being on our side for so long, and if he weren't around it's very possible we'd have a government that's entirely hostile to us.
Either way, intimidation is a pretty bad way to to make alliances. I'm pretty sure this has something to do with Bush saying that he'd send troops across the border to find bin Laden without Pakistani consent, and I do wonder if we've asked too many favors from that country.
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Gonk
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I don't think Mousharraf knew anything about what Al Qaida had planned -- absoultely not. I don't think he even knows what groups have planned when they strike at India. It doesn't mean though, that as the current leader of the country that has caused so many problems, that he hasn't inherited responsibility though his coup.
I think the US has been absolutely entitled to the demands they've made on Pakistan. It's a rogue nation in every sense of the word. It promotes instability in its neighbors and has a reactionary, uneducated populace that is far more dangerous than that of other Muslim states (Syria, Iran, Lebanon).
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severian28
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Chavez isn't militarily threatening anyone, and is not ever going to rule over a country that will become a superpower, so he will go away. He's more of a crackpot than a criminal.
I wouldnt marginilize him to that extent. Hes a cunning politician thats poised to take a seat on the U.N. Security Council, which will make him the most powerful man in South America if he isnt already because of the oil. The next President would be wise to sit and talk with him.
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Hi, I'm Ender McClure. You might remember me from such threads as "Is George Bush really an Alien?", "Liberals or Conservatives - Who Loves Satan more?" and "September 11 - the Real Causes (Now discussing: Hitler's brain)"...
Um, Gonk, this couldn't fit into an existing thread..?
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Gonk
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I thought it deserved its own since it was the most solid description of what went on in the aftermath of 9.11 (though I had guessed this was what had pretty much happened at the time)
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Blue_Jedi33
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If the USA new what we now know that the money trail for Al-Queda tracks back to Pakistan then
yes those comments were justfied.
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darthdrago
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I find this curious. I'm currently reading "American Soldier" by Gen. Tommy Franks (commander in chief of the Afghan & Iraq wars), and I'm right in the middle of the point where Franks is coordinating the attack plan for Afghanistan and negotiating with neighboring countries for flyover/forward staging rights. Up to the point I've read, Franks describes having good personal relations with Musharraf, and intended to capitalize on that for the first wave of Tomahawk cruise missiles to fly over Pakistan's territory. At no point (so far) had Franks or anybody else threatened Musharraf with attacks if Pakistan did not cooperate.
Granted, I'm not finished with the book yet. Has anybody else read the book, and can confirm if anybody threatened Pakistan? If Musharraf is telling the truth (which I personally doubt in this case), then I wonder if this "threat" was made by a CIA spook outside of Central Command & Franks' knowledge?
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Lord_Vivec
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GOOD, YOU **********!!!! YOU DESERVED TO BE BOMBED!
He sits there and has the audacity to say, after 9.11 he was told he would be bomed into the stone age and say "well, I thought it was a rude remark"
He should be thankful he was given the bloody option. He should be thankful the US allowed Pakistan to continue to exist. And this guy is your ally? He's only helping out because he's afraid of his country getting what it deserves. Seriously, Syria and Iran are better allies when they're your enemies than when Pakistan claims friendship.
I'm really pissed off with that place. You want your culprits for 9.11, there they are. Not in Iraq, not in Iran, not in Syria: in Pakistan.
I find this opinion to be rather prejudiced. And what't this "US allowed" We aren't exactly the king of the world.
And of course Armitage's statement was rude. "Either you're with us or against us" That's what's call third-grader talk
And why are you pissed of with the place? Not everyone there is bad. There are a few people who are bad and you would have the whole place bombed?
I know I'm going on the edge, but have you any thought into this, because all I see is emotion
It's a rogue nation in every sense of the word.
Umm, hate to surprise you, but the US is a rogue nation. Remember: "We'll go it alone!"
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DarthBoba
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Lord_Vivec posted:
GOOD, YOU **********!!!! YOU DESERVED TO BE BOMBED!
He sits there and has the audacity to say, after 9.11 he was told he would be bomed into the stone age and say "well, I thought it was a rude remark"
He should be thankful he was given the bloody option. He should be thankful the US allowed Pakistan to continue to exist. And this guy is your ally? He's only helping out because he's afraid of his country getting what it deserves. Seriously, Syria and Iran are better allies when they're your enemies than when Pakistan claims friendship.
I'm really pissed off with that place. You want your culprits for 9.11, there they are. Not in Iraq, not in Iran, not in Syria: in Pakistan.
I find this opinion to be rather prejudiced. And what't this "US allowed" We aren't exactly the king of the world.
And of course Armitage's statement was rude. "Either you're with us or against us" That's what's call third-grader talk
And why are you pissed of with the place? Not everyone there is bad. There are a few people who are bad and you would have the whole place bombed?
I know I'm going on the edge, but have you any thought into this, because all I see is emotion
It's a rogue nation in every sense of the word.
Umm, hate to surprise you, but the US is a rogue nation. Remember: "We'll go it alone!"
If that's your basis for a rogue nation, then every nation in history has been one at some point or another.
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Lord_Vivec
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Interestingly enough, Gonk hasn't posted his basis of a rogue nation.
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Well, I reckon when he gets out of bed/home from work/wherever he is now, he may.
And hey, if going it alone is the defining basis of being a rogue nation, then Switzerland is quite possibly the most dangerous country on earth. 
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So I suppose "rogue nation" refers to a state whose existence is incredibly harmful to that of others. In that case then I'd say North Korea is probably one....Iran isn't one yet, Pakistan isn't....and probably not Iraq as of 2003.
I'm really pissed off with that place. You want your culprits for 9.11, there they are. Not in Iraq, not in Iran, not in Syria: in Pakistan.
Yeah well even if the whole place is a sinkhole of anti-U.S. sentiment, what are you going to do about it? The only active way to get rid of people who hate you is the Hitler/Stalin method, and do you really want to go there? Musharraf was a great ally because he was willing to support us, even at the cost of his own credibility at home. We're already taking a pretty nasty shortcut by allowing him to remain as a dictator (albeit one friendly to us), and while it was likely the most practical solution post-9/11, it may yet come to bite us back one day.
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