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DarthKarde
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9/22/06 1:55pm
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I suspect that this threat was somewhat of a bluff. The consequences of bombing Pakistan would have been absolutely enourmous. Britain certainly would not have been able to support such action.
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anidanami124
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Well if you wanted to start a war with nukes then hey I say go for it and bomb Pakistan and India will get in on it and well you have entered the Korean war part Duex. Only this time ever one will lose. I mean I believe both countrys have nukes right?
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Mr44
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Has any source actually confirmed these claims with the actual Pakistani "director of intelligence?"
Remember, Musharraf is recounting third hand information at best, 5 years after the fact... 
It's not like he is claiming anyone from the US called him directly. He's claiming that his director of intelligence came to him and told him that the US threatened to bomb them to the stone age, which, if you ask me, doesn't seem realistic at all.
Did the original intelligence director have his own motive? Did he distort what was said, or simply misunderstand? Was something lost in the translation when he repeated it to Musharraf?
It certainly seems that piece is missing.
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Espaldapalabras
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Well Armistead said didn't say that. He did say they were either with us or against us, and when you have a load of the very people that committed those acts days after the attack, it is not unreasonable to say you either help us find and kill them or suffer the consequences. Of course he hasn't helped us so much as pretend to help us, and we support him because if it wasn't for his military dictatorship we would be wanting to bomb the crap out of the general populace for supporting terrorists. At least Bush isn't crazy enough to try and support democracy in Pakistan, they would elect the freaking Taliban. Osama is alive because Pakistan can't cooperate fully with the US. Oh and somebody is lying, and this time it isn't Bushitler, but the real military dictator that has to play to his audience back home that hates the fact he is "cooperating" with the Great Satan.
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Musharaff is paying a stiff price politically for siding with us and from what I understand he personally is a great admirer of western liberty.
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heels1785
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severian28 posted:
Musharaff is paying a stiff pice politically for siding with us and from what I understand he personally is a great admirer of western liberty.
Very well put. I, for one, am very surprised that Musharaff is still alive, to be honest. I'm happy he is, he's not the kindest of leaders, but he's strong, and that's what the region needs.
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Part of me definitely wishes we'd actually bombed Pakistan back into the stone age. These were the real WMD proliferators. They sold nuclear weapons technology to Iran, North Korea, etc. Getting in bed with Pakistan to oppose terrorism seems to me even more ironic and ludicrous than getting in bed with Saddam Hussein to oppose Iran.
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Mr44
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Musharraf is paying a stiff price politically for siding with us and from what I understand he personally is a great admirer of western liberty.
A great deal of his adult education time was spent in the West. And his younger brother is a doctor who practices in the Chicago area. Interestingly, he is part of my health insurance network, but he's an anesthesiologist, and I've never seen him.
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Can we stop for a moment and comment on the stupidity of President Bush? I know its frowned upon here, and let me at least prefice by saying as I've said for the last several months, I don't know why but I am starting to like Bush and think of him as my real president after all these years. I am of course still opposed to his policies, but I can't help but like the man.
That said, I can't believe no one has commented on how Wolf Blitzer's questioning tricked dumb old George into saying on TV that we'd invade Pakistan forcing Bush and Musharraf (sp?) to go on TV and make a joint appearence declaring their undying love for each other.
I mean, can we at least agree that Bush was pretty stupid there?
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Alpha-Red
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Jabbadabbado posted:
Part of me definitely wishes we'd actually bombed Pakistan back into the stone age. These were the real WMD proliferators. They sold nuclear weapons technology to Iran, North Korea, etc. Getting in bed with Pakistan to oppose terrorism seems to me even more ironic and ludicrous than getting in bed with Saddam Hussein to oppose Iran.
No more ludicrous than it was to side with the U.S.S.R. to defeat the Nazis.
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Espaldapalabras
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Bush stupid? You must be a terrorist freedom hater.
I just saw the Frontline documentary "Dark Side" and have come to the conclusion that Bush has average intellegence, but is surounded by very smart people that have their own agendas to push and are very skilled in their bureaucratic infighting. I don't think Bush is really a bad guy, simply that he is inexperienced and has to depend on people like Cheney that wanted revenge from Saddam and to gain back the executive power lost during Watergate. It is giving them too much credit to try and say they planned 9/11, what is more dangerous is the fact that when we came under attack they listened to what they wanted to hear and looked for things that justified what they wanted to do. In their sincere effort to save American lives they made important decisions to use questionable tactics that should have been subject to debate. Perhaps they were needed measures, but they didn't bother to ask, they just did.
On a personal level, I think it would be very easy to get along with these guys. If they were evil incarnate at least we would have an excuse, but to be objective about what has happened forces everyone to take a hard look at themselves.
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Darth_Guy
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Alpha-Red posted:
Jabbadabbado posted:
Part of me definitely wishes we'd actually bombed Pakistan back into the stone age. These were the real WMD proliferators. They sold nuclear weapons technology to Iran, North Korea, etc. Getting in bed with Pakistan to oppose terrorism seems to me even more ironic and ludicrous than getting in bed with Saddam Hussein to oppose Iran.
No more ludicrous than it was to side with the U.S.S.R. to defeat the Nazis.
Well, the USSR didn't start the war; Iraq invaded Iran.
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Iran also had kidnapped our diplomats and wanted to remove US influence in the region. I am not saying they don't have good reason to be mad at us, just that the situation isn't as cut and dried as some make it out to be.
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Darth_Guy posted:
Well, the USSR didn't start the war; Iraq invaded Iran.
I'm saying it was a matter of practicality. We saw Iran as a threat and picked the closest guy to help knock them out, just like we picked Stalin to help destroy Hitler.
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yankee8255
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I've always gotten the impression that the Bush administration lets Mousharraf make claims of coersion, etc., in order to keep the militant Islamists in Pakistan at bay.
Ideally the US could go into Northern Pakistan and get the AlQaeda leadership itself. Unfortunately that would pretty much spell the end for Mousharraf, and the advent of a militant Islamist regime in a country that's sitting on a heap of nukes.
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