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anidanami124 posted:
My stance is one of trying to look further. Further than what's known. Not facts, not speculation, just logic. Isn't it logical that if you prohibit guns, you'll have less school shootings?
That's just putting a band aid on the problem? Why put a band aid on a problem that goes much deeper then kids getting guns in there hands. You might want to look at these kids pasts. The root problem is that they have emtionlly and mentally problems and taking guns away won't help them.
If they don't have a gun they will just use some other type of weapon.
It might not actually. I'm not 100% sure but I think it's harder to obtain a knife or a crossbow or something than a gun. Actually that probably depends on which country you're in. But think about it...semi-automatic gun vs. knife or crossbow. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but a gun is actually the easier choice so people are more likely to pick that.
Another point: Australia has strict gun laws = WAY less shootings (except for the mafia in South Melbourne hehe...I shouldn't laugh actually.)
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Am not.
Check your dates. From Wiki
*University of Texas at Austin massacre - Austin, Texas, United States; August 1, 1966
* Orangeburg Massacre - Orangeburg, South Carolina, United States; February 8, 1968
* Kent State shootings - Kent, Ohio, United States; May 4, 1970
* Avivim school bus massacre - Avivim, Israel; May 8, 1970
* Jackson State killings - Jackson, Mississippi, United States; May 14-15, 1970
* Ma'alot massacre - Ma'alot, Israel; May 15, 1974
* California State University, Fullerton Library Massacre - Fullerton, California, United States; July 12, 1976
* Brenda Ann Spencer, Cleveland Elementary School - January 29, 1979
* Parkway South Junior High School shooting - Saint Louis, Missouri, United States; January 20, 1983
* Stockton massacre - Stockton, California, United States; January 17, 1989
* École Polytechnique Massacre - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; December 6, 1989
* University of Iowa shooting - Iowa City, Iowa, United States; November 1, 1991
* Concordia University massacre -Montreal, Quebec, Canada; August 24, 1992
* Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting - Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States; December 14, 1992
* Richland High School shooting - Lynnville, Tennessee, United States; November 15, 1995
* Frontier Junior High shooting - Moses Lake, Washington, United States; February 2, 1996
* Dunblane massacre - Dunblane, Scotland, United Kingdom; March 13, 1996
* Sanaa massacre - Sanaa, Yemen; March 30, 1997
* Pearl High School shooting, Pearl, Mississippi, United States; October 1, 1997
* Heath High School shooting, West Paducah, Kentucky, United States; December 1, 1997
* Jonesboro massacre - Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998
* Thurston High School shooting - Springfield, Oregon, United States; May 21, 1998
* Columbine High School massacre - Littleton, Colorado, United States; April 20, 1999
* W. R. Myers High School shooting - Taber, Alberta, Canada; April 28, 1999
* Heritage High School shooting - Conyers, Georgia, United States; May 20, 1999
* Santana High School - Santee, California, United States; March 5, 2001
* Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, United States; January 16, 2002
* Erfurt massacre - Erfurt, Germany; April 26, 2002
* Monash University shooting - Melbourne, Australia; October 21, 2002
* Rocori High School shootings - Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States; September 24, 2003
* Southwood Middle School tragedy, Miami, Florida; February 3, 2004
* Red Lake High School massacre - Red Lake, Minnesota, United States; March 21, 2005
* Campbell County High School - Jacksboro, Tennessee: November 8, 2005
* Dawson College shooting - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; September 13, 2006
* Platte Canyon High School shooting - Bailey, Colorado, United States; September 27, 2006
* Amish school shooting - Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States; October 2, 2006
* Weston High School shooting, Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29, 2006
* Springfield Township High School Shooting-Springfield, Pennsylvania,Dec. 12, 2006
* Henry Foss High School - Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3, 2007
* Beirut Arab University shooting - Beirut, Lebanon; January 25, 2007
* Virginia Tech massacre - Blacksburg, Virginia, United States; April 16, 2007
Now, these are the 'biggest' (I assume) meaning the highest body counts and the most national coverage in the US. If you look at the dates you'll see how dispersed these shootings have been. Not to mention that they're not concentrated in one area. So, from this (at least in my opinion) this 'threat' of school shootings isn't as big as the media makes it out to be. You'll also notice that as the times have changed and the media has gotten more widely available that more shootings are being covered in great depth. 2006 seemed to be the worst year for school shootings. For whatever reason.
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OMG! I didn't know ther were THAT many!
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Of course there have been a lot. I don't think banning guns will stop this problem, though. Nor will tougher rules or softer playing (no dodge ball? BOO). I think when things become more equally distributed and bullies no longer get a free pass because they're jocks. Then they'll stop. But school shootings are not a common thing that happen every day. You could apply the banning logic just as easily to postal workers. Not to mention that some of those (at least in the 60's and 70's) were done by government employees.
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Fire_Ice_Death posted:
Of course there have been a lot.
Actually, there were 41 on that list (by my count), and it goes back 41 years. That's on average 1 per year.
When you consider how many schools there are just in the US, each of which is open for about 180 days a year, that's still an infinitesimal number of school shootings compared to the potential for them.
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Exactly my point. People make them out to be this big bogyman and herald them as proof that we need to ban guns. They give these school shootings too much credit.
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Fire_Ice_Death posted:
Exactly my point. People make them out to be this big bogyman and herald them as proof that we need to ban guns. They give these school shootings too much credit.
But, won't you think of the children?
Personally, I wouldn't include the various shootings on college campuses as "school shootings". College is completely different from high school, and supposedly everyone there is an adult and responsible for their own actions. Because of that, college campus shootings should be treated no different from any other shooting involving adults.
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Fire_Ice_Death posted:
Am not.
Check your dates. From Wiki
*University of Texas at Austin massacre - Austin, Texas, United States; August 1, 1966
* Orangeburg Massacre - Orangeburg, South Carolina, United States; February 8, 1968
* Kent State shootings - Kent, Ohio, United States; May 4, 1970
* Avivim school bus massacre - Avivim, Israel; May 8, 1970
* Jackson State killings - Jackson, Mississippi, United States; May 14-15, 1970
* Ma'alot massacre - Ma'alot, Israel; May 15, 1974
* California State University, Fullerton Library Massacre - Fullerton, California, United States; July 12, 1976
* Brenda Ann Spencer, Cleveland Elementary School - January 29, 1979
* Parkway South Junior High School shooting - Saint Louis, Missouri, United States; January 20, 1983
* Stockton massacre - Stockton, California, United States; January 17, 1989
* École Polytechnique Massacre - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; December 6, 1989
* University of Iowa shooting - Iowa City, Iowa, United States; November 1, 1991
* Concordia University massacre -Montreal, Quebec, Canada; August 24, 1992
* Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting - Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States; December 14, 1992
* Richland High School shooting - Lynnville, Tennessee, United States; November 15, 1995
* Frontier Junior High shooting - Moses Lake, Washington, United States; February 2, 1996
* Dunblane massacre - Dunblane, Scotland, United Kingdom; March 13, 1996
* Sanaa massacre - Sanaa, Yemen; March 30, 1997
* Pearl High School shooting, Pearl, Mississippi, United States; October 1, 1997
* Heath High School shooting, West Paducah, Kentucky, United States; December 1, 1997
* Jonesboro massacre - Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998
* Thurston High School shooting - Springfield, Oregon, United States; May 21, 1998
* Columbine High School massacre - Littleton, Colorado, United States; April 20, 1999
* W. R. Myers High School shooting - Taber, Alberta, Canada; April 28, 1999
* Heritage High School shooting - Conyers, Georgia, United States; May 20, 1999
* Santana High School - Santee, California, United States; March 5, 2001
* Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, United States; January 16, 2002
* Erfurt massacre - Erfurt, Germany; April 26, 2002
* Monash University shooting - Melbourne, Australia; October 21, 2002
* Rocori High School shootings - Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States; September 24, 2003
* Southwood Middle School tragedy, Miami, Florida; February 3, 2004
* Red Lake High School massacre - Red Lake, Minnesota, United States; March 21, 2005
* Campbell County High School - Jacksboro, Tennessee: November 8, 2005
* Dawson College shooting - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; September 13, 2006
* Platte Canyon High School shooting - Bailey, Colorado, United States; September 27, 2006
* Amish school shooting - Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States; October 2, 2006
* Weston High School shooting, Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29, 2006
* Springfield Township High School Shooting-Springfield, Pennsylvania,Dec. 12, 2006
* Henry Foss High School - Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3, 2007
* Beirut Arab University shooting - Beirut, Lebanon; January 25, 2007
* Virginia Tech massacre - Blacksburg, Virginia, United States; April 16, 2007
Now, these are the 'biggest' (I assume) meaning the highest body counts and the most national coverage in the US. If you look at the dates you'll see how dispersed these shootings have been. Not to mention that they're not concentrated in one area. So, from this (at least in my opinion) this 'threat' of school shootings isn't as big as the media makes it out to be. You'll also notice that as the times have changed and the media has gotten more widely available that more shootings are being covered in great depth. 2006 seemed to be the worst year for school shootings. For whatever reason.
Dude I was kidding. Did you not see the 
I'm not 100% sure but I think it's harder to obtain a knife or a crossbow or something than a gun.
Either I'm reading this wrong your you just typed it wrong. But how is it harder to obtain a knife? Just go into the kitchen(sp) I'm sure you will find a lot of knives.
Exactly my point. People make them out to be this big bogyman and herald them as proof that we need to ban guns. They give these school shootings too much credit.
Well like you said it's the media. Besides it sells for them. So they will make it bigger then it really is.
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Fire... one word. Thailand.
And now that I've alienated everybody with horribly bad taste (and no, that wasn't implying anything about Fire)... first of all, I'm in the same room with a set of knives. Second, I can build a bomb entirely with legal materials. Heck, the worst school massacre in U.S. history happened when bombs were planted. Columbine featured pipe bombs that thankfully didn't go off.
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Child labor laws should be repealed. 
There, I've alienated those you missed.
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Hey, I forgot about the sweatshops there too.
Thanks for the assist
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Fire_Ice_Death posted:
Am not.
Check your dates. From Wiki
*University of Texas at Austin massacre - Austin, Texas, United States; August 1, 1966
* Orangeburg Massacre - Orangeburg, South Carolina, United States; February 8, 1968
* Kent State shootings - Kent, Ohio, United States; May 4, 1970
* Avivim school bus massacre - Avivim, Israel; May 8, 1970
* Jackson State killings - Jackson, Mississippi, United States; May 14-15, 1970
* Ma'alot massacre - Ma'alot, Israel; May 15, 1974
* California State University, Fullerton Library Massacre - Fullerton, California, United States; July 12, 1976
* Brenda Ann Spencer, Cleveland Elementary School - January 29, 1979
* Parkway South Junior High School shooting - Saint Louis, Missouri, United States; January 20, 1983
* Stockton massacre - Stockton, California, United States; January 17, 1989
* École Polytechnique Massacre - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; December 6, 1989
* University of Iowa shooting - Iowa City, Iowa, United States; November 1, 1991
* Concordia University massacre -Montreal, Quebec, Canada; August 24, 1992
* Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting - Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States; December 14, 1992
* Richland High School shooting - Lynnville, Tennessee, United States; November 15, 1995
* Frontier Junior High shooting - Moses Lake, Washington, United States; February 2, 1996
* Dunblane massacre - Dunblane, Scotland, United Kingdom; March 13, 1996
* Sanaa massacre - Sanaa, Yemen; March 30, 1997
* Pearl High School shooting, Pearl, Mississippi, United States; October 1, 1997
* Heath High School shooting, West Paducah, Kentucky, United States; December 1, 1997
* Jonesboro massacre - Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998
* Thurston High School shooting - Springfield, Oregon, United States; May 21, 1998
* Columbine High School massacre - Littleton, Colorado, United States; April 20, 1999
* W. R. Myers High School shooting - Taber, Alberta, Canada; April 28, 1999
* Heritage High School shooting - Conyers, Georgia, United States; May 20, 1999
* Santana High School - Santee, California, United States; March 5, 2001
* Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, United States; January 16, 2002
* Erfurt massacre - Erfurt, Germany; April 26, 2002
* Monash University shooting - Melbourne, Australia; October 21, 2002
* Rocori High School shootings - Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States; September 24, 2003
* Southwood Middle School tragedy, Miami, Florida; February 3, 2004
* Red Lake High School massacre - Red Lake, Minnesota, United States; March 21, 2005
* Campbell County High School - Jacksboro, Tennessee: November 8, 2005
* Dawson College shooting - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; September 13, 2006
* Platte Canyon High School shooting - Bailey, Colorado, United States; September 27, 2006
* Amish school shooting - Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States; October 2, 2006
* Weston High School shooting, Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29, 2006
* Springfield Township High School Shooting-Springfield, Pennsylvania,Dec. 12, 2006
* Henry Foss High School - Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3, 2007
* Beirut Arab University shooting - Beirut, Lebanon; January 25, 2007
* Virginia Tech massacre - Blacksburg, Virginia, United States; April 16, 2007
Now, these are the 'biggest' (I assume) meaning the highest body counts and the most national coverage in the US. If you look at the dates you'll see how dispersed these shootings have been. Not to mention that they're not concentrated in one area. So, from this (at least in my opinion) this 'threat' of school shootings isn't as big as the media makes it out to be. You'll also notice that as the times have changed and the media has gotten more widely available that more shootings are being covered in great depth. 2006 seemed to be the worst year for school shootings. For whatever reason.
Dude I was kidding. Did you not see the
I'm not 100% sure but I think it's harder to obtain a knife or a crossbow or something than a gun.
Either I'm reading this wrong your you just typed it wrong. But how is it harder to obtain a knife? Just go into the kitchen(sp) I'm sure you will find a lot of knives.
Exactly my point. People make them out to be this big bogyman and herald them as proof that we need to ban guns. They give these school shootings too much credit.
Well like you said it's the media. Besides it sells for them. So they will make it bigger then it really is.
Yeah you're right i did write it wrong. I was thinking of those really stylish fancy cool looking knives you see in glass cabinets in some stores yeah? I don't know exactly which stores though. I forgot you can grab any old knife in your kitchen or the supermarket.
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Fire_Ice_Death posted:
Check your dates. From Wiki
*University of Texas at Austin massacre - Austin, Texas, United States; August 1, 1966
* Orangeburg Massacre - Orangeburg, South Carolina, United States; February 8, 1968
* Kent State shootings - Kent, Ohio, United States; May 4, 1970
* Avivim school bus massacre - Avivim, Israel; May 8, 1970
* Jackson State killings - Jackson, Mississippi, United States; May 14-15, 1970
* Ma'alot massacre - Ma'alot, Israel; May 15, 1974
* California State University, Fullerton Library Massacre - Fullerton, California, United States; July 12, 1976
* Brenda Ann Spencer, Cleveland Elementary School - January 29, 1979
* Parkway South Junior High School shooting - Saint Louis, Missouri, United States; January 20, 1983
* Stockton massacre - Stockton, California, United States; January 17, 1989
* École Polytechnique Massacre - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; December 6, 1989
* University of Iowa shooting - Iowa City, Iowa, United States; November 1, 1991
* Concordia University massacre -Montreal, Quebec, Canada; August 24, 1992
* Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting - Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States; December 14, 1992
* Richland High School shooting - Lynnville, Tennessee, United States; November 15, 1995
* Frontier Junior High shooting - Moses Lake, Washington, United States; February 2, 1996
* Dunblane massacre - Dunblane, Scotland, United Kingdom; March 13, 1996
* Sanaa massacre - Sanaa, Yemen; March 30, 1997
* Pearl High School shooting, Pearl, Mississippi, United States; October 1, 1997
* Heath High School shooting, West Paducah, Kentucky, United States; December 1, 1997
* Jonesboro massacre - Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998
* Thurston High School shooting - Springfield, Oregon, United States; May 21, 1998
* Columbine High School massacre - Littleton, Colorado, United States; April 20, 1999
* W. R. Myers High School shooting - Taber, Alberta, Canada; April 28, 1999
* Heritage High School shooting - Conyers, Georgia, United States; May 20, 1999
* Santana High School - Santee, California, United States; March 5, 2001
* Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, United States; January 16, 2002
* Erfurt massacre - Erfurt, Germany; April 26, 2002
* Monash University shooting - Melbourne, Australia; October 21, 2002
* Rocori High School shootings - Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States; September 24, 2003
* Southwood Middle School tragedy, Miami, Florida; February 3, 2004
* Red Lake High School massacre - Red Lake, Minnesota, United States; March 21, 2005
* Campbell County High School - Jacksboro, Tennessee: November 8, 2005
* Dawson College shooting - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; September 13, 2006
* Platte Canyon High School shooting - Bailey, Colorado, United States; September 27, 2006
* Amish school shooting - Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States; October 2, 2006
* Weston High School shooting, Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29, 2006
* Springfield Township High School Shooting-Springfield, Pennsylvania,Dec. 12, 2006
* Henry Foss High School - Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3, 2007
* Beirut Arab University shooting - Beirut, Lebanon; January 25, 2007
* Virginia Tech massacre - Blacksburg, Virginia, United States; April 16, 2007
Aside from the first two listed incidents, every one of these occured after the Gun Control Act of 1968.
The following occured after the implimentation of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (aka the Brady Bill):
Taken from the list above posted:
* Richland High School shooting - Lynnville, Tennessee, United States; November 15, 1995
* Frontier Junior High shooting - Moses Lake, Washington, United States; February 2, 1996
* Pearl High School shooting, Pearl, Mississippi, United States; October 1, 1997
* Heath High School shooting, West Paducah, Kentucky, United States; December 1, 1997
* Jonesboro massacre - Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998
* Thurston High School shooting - Springfield, Oregon, United States; May 21, 1998
* Columbine High School massacre - Littleton, Colorado, United States; April 20, 1999
* Heritage High School shooting - Conyers, Georgia, United States; May 20, 1999
* Santana High School - Santee, California, United States; March 5, 2001
* Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, United States; January 16, 2002
* Rocori High School shootings - Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States; September 24, 2003
* Southwood Middle School tragedy, Miami, Florida; February 3, 2004
* Red Lake High School massacre - Red Lake, Minnesota, United States; March 21, 2005
* Campbell County High School - Jacksboro, Tennessee: November 8, 2005
* Platte Canyon High School shooting - Bailey, Colorado, United States; September 27, 2006
* Amish school shooting - Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States; October 2, 2006
* Weston High School shooting, Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29, 2006
* Springfield Township High School Shooting-Springfield, Pennsylvania,Dec. 12, 2006
* Henry Foss High School - Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3, 2007
* Virginia Tech massacre - Blacksburg, Virginia, United States; April 16, 2007
The Following occured while the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (aka Assault Weapons Ban) was in effect:
Taken from the list above. posted:
* Richland High School shooting - Lynnville, Tennessee, United States; November 15, 1995
* Frontier Junior High shooting - Moses Lake, Washington, United States; February 2, 1996
* Pearl High School shooting, Pearl, Mississippi, United States; October 1, 1997
* Heath High School shooting, West Paducah, Kentucky, United States; December 1, 1997
* Jonesboro massacre - Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998
* Thurston High School shooting - Springfield, Oregon, United States; May 21, 1998
* Columbine High School massacre - Littleton, Colorado, United States; April 20, 1999
* Heritage High School shooting - Conyers, Georgia, United States; May 20, 1999
* Santana High School - Santee, California, United States; March 5, 2001
* Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, United States; January 16, 2002
* Rocori High School shootings - Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States; September 24, 2003
* Southwood Middle School tragedy, Miami, Florida; February 3, 2004
If gun control works, none of those events should have taken place, after passage of a gun control act. Yet, even where the three major U.S. gun control acts overlap, these events have still occured.
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