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Lowbacca_1977
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3/14/07 11:35am
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Well, re: Emmeline Pankhurst.... how many people know who she is? I'd have my doubts of who would know of American women involved in the same cause, like Susan B Anthony, but a British one will be even less known, esp as her work seems to have not been international.
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Erk
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"Just a thought on the comments of this being an americacentric list, it seems to me to be more of a male-orientated list. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King both have their claims but can you really say they done as much for equality as Emmeline Pankhurst? "
It comes down to what greatness is... again.
She's not that known. (was she the one who threw herself infront of a horse BTW?) I think it would have been more likely that Thatcher would have made it if any other woman (not that she would have deserved a spot)(and number one is still open).
Anyways the list says something about female-male equality, we havn't even allowed voting for women the whole last 100 years and the just taking a glance on contemporary politics tells us we have a long way to go.
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Lowbacca_1977
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Erk posted:
Anyways the list says something about female-male equality, we havn't even allowed voting for women the whole last 100 years and the just taking a glance on contemporary politics tells us we have a long way to go.
Meaning what, exactly?
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Erk
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meaning that we have a long way to go before half the people on this list will be women.
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Ender_Sai
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3/14/07 5:45pm
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Erk posted:
meaning that we have a long way to go before half the people on this list will be women.
Only if they deserve it and not from some abritrary and unfair system of "fairness". 
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Lowbacca_1977
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Ender_Sai posted:
Erk posted:
meaning that we have a long way to go before half the people on this list will be women.
Only if they deserve it and not from some abritrary and unfair system of "fairness".
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Agreeing with Ender. Don't see any reason why one would expect it to be perfectly split up like that.
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Erk
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"Only if they deserve it and not from some abritrary and unfair system of "fairness". "
What would that be. To quote in women on this list?
"Agreeing with Ender. Don't see any reason why one would expect it to be perfectly split up like that."
I think it's highly probable. Take a look at the last 100 years, more and more women find themselves in a position where they have power. I cant see any reason why this curve won't continue upwards. AND I don't see any reason why women in power wouldn't do as great deeds as men.
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Lowbacca_1977
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its that great people will be great, period. Ender's point, I believe, was that one should be looking at when a listing of great people just happens to be half female... not viewing that as a goal that one must reach, per se, but still evaluating people based on their merits.
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Erk
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It don't have to be a goal to have 50/50 F/M on this list. But the skewed ratio it gives us a question to answer: why?
The answer could be women don't desire greatness to the same extent as or something like that, or women haven't had the same chance to be great as men or something like that.
Imagine making a list pre-french revolution: the french people gets to pick the greatest persons between 1000 and 1700 they all pick the sun-king, richelieu, french lords and lordships, Jeanne D'Arc, etc. That would have been an absolute fair list, like ours, but it would also give rise to interesting questions. Why no middle-class person etc.
It's not as we're living in utopia where every person is an enlighted know it all and all is fair and square.
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Lowbacca_1977
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Well, we are looking at the century, and while the roll of women has been increasing, historical lists will have a bit of a lag time.
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Rogue1-and-a-half
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I think the fact that there is a skewed male to female ratio is the least of this list's problems, to be frank. How about we all agree that any public poll to find the greatest people of any given time period is going to be pretty off base. I seriously hope no one was expecting this list to be the great truth or anything.
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And so it ends...
1) EINSTEIN, Albert
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Albert Einstein (March 14, 1879 – April 18, 1955) was a German-born theoretical physicist who is widely considered to have been one of the greatest physicists of all time. While best known for the theory of relativity (and specifically mass-energy equivalence, E=mc²), he was awarded the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics “for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect.”
Einstein's many contributions to physics include his special theory of relativity, which reconciled mechanics with electromagnetism, and his general theory of relativity which extended the principle of relativity to nonuniform motion, creating a new theory of gravitation. His other contributions include relativistic cosmology, capillary action, critical opalescence, classical problems of statistical mechanics and their application to quantum theory, an explanation of the Brownian movement of molecules, atomic transition probabilities, the quantum theory of a monatomic gas, thermal properties of light with low radiation density (which laid the foundation for the photon theory), a theory of radiation including stimulated emission, the conception of a unified field theory, and the geometrization of physics.
Works by Albert Einstein include more than fifty scientific papers but also non-scientific works, including About Zionism: Speeches and Lectures by Professor Albert Einstein. (1930), Why War? (1933, co-authored by Sigmund Freud), The World As I See It (1934), and Out of My Later Years (1950).[2]
In 1999 Einstein was named Time magazine's "Person of the Century". In popular culture the name "Einstein" has become synonymous with genius.
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"Unrivaled scientific discoveries, many that still have a profound impact on modern society and many more that the impact of which still has not been fully realized" - despised1
"When people think Genius, they think of this man. Changed the way we viewed physics, the Universe and scientists in general." - Kyptastic
" thinker on the order of almost no other; it wasn't that he saw the great concepts, it was that he saw the great concepts and then made them seem so obvious that we slapped our foreheads and wondered why we hadn't seen them ourselves. ESSENTIAL: Relativity: Special and General Theory, E=MC2: A Biography of the World's Most Famous Equation" - Rogue1-and-a-half
"[He] fundamentally redefined the nature of the universe for all of humanity; it doesn't get any bigger than that."- Quixotic_Sith
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"A paradox in than a, broadly speaking, athiest and socialist could be so admired in the capitalist West, Einstein nevertheless remains something of an enigma through the sheer scope of his intellect. We're only beginning to get our heads around stuff Einstein figured out more than half-a-centry ago. It's probably because the man had an intellect unsurpassed by essentially anyone, coupled with a lack of any preconceptions about the universe and an unbridled curiosity that we hold Einstein dear - that, and his playful sense of humour (see picture, above)" - Ender_Sai
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HawkNC
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Definitely a wise choice for number one, IMO. The man is a testament to the power of science - the search for truth through evidence - to overcome the prejudices of politics and religion.
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JediTre11
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The 21st Century man, lost in the 20th Century. When I started college in 1999, I bought a ton of posters for my white-walled dorm. "Imagination is more important than knowledge" is the only poster I still have hanging.
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Darth Mischievous
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I tend to think that Thomas Edison had a much more significant impact on humanity and human history and technology than Einstein.
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