Vaderize03 posted:A pharmacist refusing to fill a prescription because they have a problem with birth control is in reality, no different.
Vaderize03 posted:I can't answer your question, Kimball, because I don't know enough about outpatient pharmaceuticals. What about the rest of my post? Emergencies may be just that, but they are examples of valid situations which do arise in the real world.
Kimball_Kinnison posted:As I said before, there is no reason to single out just the contraceptives except to force ideology onto others.
dizfactor posted: Look, your side uses the state to force your ideology on me all the damn time .
Master_SweetPea posted:that's not a correct statement, because you are ASSUMING that there is only the right and left.
dizfactor posted:Look, your side uses the state to force your ideology on me all the damn time.
dizfactor posted:If you're so opposed to the government trying to effect culture through policy, why is it that (presumably) monogamous heterosexual couples get special legal rights and tax breaks in the name of encouraging a specific family model?
dizfactor posted:If you're so opposed to the government interfering in private transactions, why is buying and selling marijuana (or sex) illegal?
dizfactor posted:If you're so opposed to interfering in the practice of medicine, why are there so many restrictions on abortion?
dizfactor posted:If you're so concerned about tyranny, why am we all subject to all sorts of dubious surveillance programs and why is it that people can be thrown in a hole somewhere, tortured, and held indefinitely without charges?
dizfactor posted:If you're so concerned about respecting the rights of employees and employers to work on whatever terms they choose, why are we criminalizing migrant workers?
dizfactor posted:Of course, all those things are for the greater good, right? And this is different from my argument how? Other than the fact that things you think are good are things I think are bad, and vice versa, I mean?
dizfactor posted:If you were willing to seriously talk about restricting the power of government over people's private lives - restoring civil liberties and severely rolling back the power of the "security state," ending the War on Drugs, decriminalizing prostitution and gambling, respecting the right to privacy with regard to medicine and the biosciences (abortion, cloning, etc), getting government out of the marriage business entirely, etc - I would be more than willing to put gun control, school vouchers, affirmative action, and laws like the one in question in this thread on the table.
dizfactor posted:Until that happens, though, you can't affect a tone of moral outrage about government interference in the lives of its citizens when it suits you, and then beat the drum for the need to take action to "preserve the moral order of traditional society" (or however you'd like to phrase it) when it's the kind of government intervention you like. I'll put down my regulatory gun if you do, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. Under current conditions, though, I'm going to use whatever tool I have to stop you, suppress your culture, keep you out of government, and basically destroy everything you stand for, because you've been doing the same to me for decades at least. If you insist on having a culture war, I'll give you a culture war and I will damn sure win it.
Vaderize03 posted:DarthOverlord- Every hospital should have EC's, it is the expectation that a hospital be equipped to deal with the spectrum of medical problems, from outpatient to emergency. Now, some things, like cardiac catherization, require larger hospitals, and it is not realistic to expect that every hospital in the US have a cath lab. However, it is reasonable to expect that every hospital be required to stock female hormones that have been around for decades and are used by millions of women. In other words, I do not for an instant as a physician "feel bad" about forcing all hospitals to carry EC's (emergency contraceptives). The idea that a hospital can refuse to carry a common medication is absurd. That's what the hospital's for.
Vaderize03 posted:Before certain individuals start banging the drum on forcing idealogy, religious freedom, or the easy availability of other hospitals across the US, I will point out that not everyone is able to get to another facility in a timely fashion, and even if they do, it may be hours before they are seen. I do not personally feel that Catholic hospitals should be allowed to refuse to give out emergency contraception, especially for rape victims. Elective BCP's are another story, but not emergency ones.
Kimball_Kinnison posted:For example, you could have the police keep a supply of Plan B and have them give it to a rape victim when they report the rape instead of the hospital. (Remember, it's OTC, so it should be no different than having them keep a little Tylenol or Motrin in their first aid kit.) Kimball Kinnison
