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Michael Moore. Fact or Fiction?
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Vezner
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Date Posted:
3/5/07 8:52am
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Michael Moore. Fact or Fiction?
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We all know him as one of the most controversial filmmakers in recent history. The debate I'd like to see here is in regards to the following questions:
Do you think Michael Moore is a noble man that is revealing the truth about a corrupt right-wing conspiracy?
Do you think he's a left-wing radical that will say and do anything to discredit his opponents?
Do you think the truth lies somewhere in between?
Here is an interesting article that I recently discovered:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1466668.ece
I personally think the man is a liar that only does what he does because there's a lot of money in it for him. What say you?
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Beowulf
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3/5/07 9:32am
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RE: Michael Moore. Fact or Fiction?
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He is like any other media source in the world. He's got his own bias. Plain and simple, just like a typical journalist. The thing about him though is that he thinks he's hot****, when in fact he's just another in the long line of blind journalists who think they spout the truth.
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Lowbacca_1977
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3/5/07 10:48am
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I consider him someone that puts forward opinion and fabrication in such a manner to imply that its all factual and reliable, and I think he's done significant damage to public dialog. He has an agenda, and I think he KNOWS what is truth and what isn't and he's just learned how to manipulate people to get them to swallow whatever he wants them to.
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Jansons_Funny_Twin
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3/5/07 11:03am
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Michael Moore. Fact or Fiction?
He's totally a fictional character. His simultaneous ability to both suck and blow defies the laws of physics, and should be a strong indication of his fictional nature.
Seriously though, Moore is just a left-wing version of Rush Limbaugh, willing to stretch the truth and ignore facts in order to advance his agenda.
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Vezner
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3/5/07 11:12am
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Jansons_Funny_Twin posted:
Michael Moore. Fact or Fiction?
He's totally a fictional character. His simultaneous ability to both suck and blow defies the laws of physics, and should be a strong indication of his fictional nature.
Seriously though, Moore is just a left-wing version of Rush Limbaugh, willing to stretch the truth and ignore facts in order to advance his agenda.
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Erk
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3/5/07 11:24am
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It's clear (just by watching his movies) that he's not trying hard to be objective. I see his films more like editorials in a newspaper, signed by Micheal Moore. And as such I think they have strong points and are well made (with subjectivity and wit etc. like a good editorial).
In the article mentions a "long catalogue of alleged exaggerations or distortions in several of Moore’s films" and then puts forward:
"Moore visited Toronto to show parts of the city that were supposedly so free of crime everyone left their front doors unlocked.
“In the film, Michael makes it look as though 100% of the doors were unlocked, but his local producer told us it was really only 40%,” "
"Caine and Melnyk claim that Moore interviewed Smith on camera twice. But the scenes were left on the cutting room floor, apparently for greater dramatic effect. "
and the fact that Moore is a stuck-up person who refuses to talk to people who question him.
Moore should be "investigated" like all people who has a lot of power, and for that we need more Caines, Melnyks and Moores. Though I think the three points mentioned in the article are kinda weak.
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Ender_Sai
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3/5/07 1:26pm
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I think part of the problem is that you guys only know Moore since he was "famous", ie since BFC was released so basically you know him a certain way. Part of the problem is that utter tit though he may be, The Awful Truth was fantastic and relevant television without peer. If you never saw it, it may be hard now to appreciate it in context and without bias.
This was back, remember, when there was a Democratic president and so there was less of that "i h8 teh bush!!11! " stuff in his work, and he held anyone who was unjust accountable.
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Lowbacca_1977
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3/5/07 1:45pm
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He definitly does seem to have spiraled out of control. I'd first seen Roger and Me before BFC came out, and thought it was good... and even thought that BFC made some good points. Unfortunitly, I think he's just gotten worse with each subsequent thing he's done.
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anidanami124
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3/5/07 3:29pm
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Ender_Sai posted:
I think part of the problem is that you guys only know Moore since he was "famous", ie since BFC was released so basically you know him a certain way. Part of the problem is that utter tit though he may be, The Awful Truth was fantastic and relevant television without peer. If you never saw it, it may be hard now to appreciate it in context and without bias.
This was back, remember, when there was a Democratic president and so there was less of that "i h8 teh bush!!11! " stuff in his work, and he held anyone who was unjust accountable.
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The problem for me here Ender is not if he hates Bush or not. I don't really care what he thinks. What I have a problem with is the way he edits things in his so called Documentary becomes nothing more then Propaganda. Which then makes people think that's the only turth.
I love watching Documentarys more the ones that show and talk about more then one side. But that's the film lover in me. Again I don't care if he hates Bush or not. I just don't want him calling his work a Documentary when he does a lot of edit jobs on his work that makes people look bad with out showing the other side.
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3/5/07 3:37pm
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I personally think the man is a liar that only does what he does because there's a lot of money in it for him. What say you?
of course you think that. for his conclusions and work to have even a little merit would seriously damage your worldview.
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Ender_Sai
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3/5/07 3:49pm
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anidanami124 posted:
The problem for me here Ender is not if he hates Bush or not. I don't really care what he thinks. What I have a problem with is the way he edits things in his so called Documentary becomes nothing more then Propaganda. Which then makes people think that's the only turth.
I love watching Documentarys more the ones that show and talk about more then one side. But that's the film lover in me. Again I don't care if he hates Bush or not. I just don't want him calling his work a Documentary when he does a lot of edit jobs on his work that makes people look bad with out showing the other side.
If you'd seen The Awful Truth you'd get what I was saying, Ani. 
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anidanami124
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At this point in time seeing what he has done to his films he turned me off to even wanting to see it any ways. If it was well made and was showing both side then it's really sad to see how low he has gone.
I just don't like Documentarys that show one side lift or right. 
Again if "The Awful Truth" was a Documentary that was showing more then one side that's great. To bad he could not have kept doing it that.
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3/5/07 4:04pm
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KnightWriter posted:
I personally think the man is a liar that only does what he does because there's a lot of money in it for him. What say you?
of course you think that. for his conclusions and work to have even a little merit would seriously damage your worldview.
So, you're saying that you're taking a stance that he's not a liar?
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So, you're saying that you're taking a stance that he's not a liar?
this isn't a zero sum game. Just because I make the observation that Vezner couldn't really stand to see anything Moore says or does as truthful doesn't mean I therefore believe everything Moore says. In reality, I pay little attention to Moore, have not watched anything he's made or written and don't really know all that much about him, outside superficial details.
I seriously doubt Moore "lies", just as I don't believe most conservatives "lie".
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Of course it isn't zero sum, which is why I asked for clarification as that seemed to read more as a statement that people think that Moore is a liar only because they refuse to acknowledge his conclusions as valid, which carries an implication, i think, that you're saying that Moore is a reliable source for information if those calling him a liar do so only to preserve their world-view.
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Show of hands: Of those who so vehemtly despise Michael Moore that they begin to froth at the first mention of his name, how many wait on baited breath for the next profound utterances of "truth" by Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, or Bill O'Reilly?
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