Enforcer-SG posted:

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Here is a question; can anyone name a case where a conspiracy theory has turned out to be true? More brownie points for the bigger and more impact the event that the conspiracy was about had.

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Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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What I focus on is that were 3 buildings the folded neatly into there own footprint that day. Even the tops of WTC 1 & 2 some how severed themselves from the rest of the building and blew up before they even hit the bottom.

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Some observers have wondered why the buildings telescoped down, instead of overturning and rolling to their side like a tree. Unlike trees which are solid, rigid structures, buildings such as the WTC towers are mostly open space (offices, staircases, elevator shafts, etc.). Indeed, a typical building is 90% air, and only 10% solid material. Thus, it is not surprising that a 110- story structure should collapse into 11 stories of rubble (actually less, because the rubble spreads out laterally, and parts are compressed into the foundation).

In addition, the towers did not fail from the bottom up, but from the top down. For a portion of the tower to roll to either side, it must first acquire angular momentum, which can only occur if the structure can pivot long enough about a stable plane (e.g. the stump in a tree). However, the forces concentrated near the pivoting area would have been so large that the columns and beams in the vicinity of that area would simply have crushed and offered no serious support permitting rolling. Also, both building sections above the crash site were not tall enough to significantly activate an inverted pendulum effect. Thus, the upper part could do nothing but simply fall down onto the lower part, crushing it. While photographic evidence shows the upper part of the South Tower to be inclined just as it began to collapse, it may not necessarily have rolled to the side, but instead fallen down onto the lower floors in a tilted position. (A careful review of collapse videos and additional photos should help clarify this contention.) Indirect evidence points to minimal vertical resistance to telescoping or pancaking of either tower: the duration of the collapses was nearly the same as that of an object in free fall, while any serious resistance would have slowed down the collapse. In essence then, the towers did not collapse like trees because the structures, despite their strength, were too fragile to sustain such motions.

-World Trade Center Collapse: Assessing the Events (MIT Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering)

Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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And yet we are led to beleive that construction grade steel that was retested by UL as good, and melts at 2800 F melted 8" thick steel core beams, jet fuel at it's best can only go to 1520 F. which mean it can't melt steel. Sure it would warm it up, but even if the steel weakened to that point it would bend, and the top would have fallen over. Eight inch steel beams can't telescope into themselves, that goes againt physics.

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Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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Yet they found molten metal in the basement. The found concrete and steel metorites fused together in some strange way. Dust smothers fires and they had these hot spots weeks later, still.

So the question I still can't answer is how it reached 2800 F in the basement of the WTC to cause molten metal out of eight inch steel beams. Can you?

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Mr44 posted:

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So the question I still can't answer is how it reached 2800 F in the basement of the WTC to cause molten metal out of eight inch steel beams. Can you?

A spaceship that had to instantly engage its hyperdrive, using the contolled demolition of the towers as cover to escape the Earth's gravity would certainly develop 2800F.

It's no random event that a tall, furry brown biped was seen driving an unmarked van along with a man dressed in black pants, white shirt, and a black vest.


The cooling system located in the basement of WTC #7 can be seen behind the two of them in this undated photgraph:

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Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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And yet we are led to beleive that construction grade steel that was retested by UL as good, and melts at 2800 F melted 8" thick steel core beams, jet fuel at it's best can only go to 1520 F. which mean it can't melt steel. Sure it would warm it up, but even if the steel weakened to that point it would bend, and the top would have fallen over. Eight inch steel beams can't telescope into themselves, that goes againt physics.
Yet they found molten metal in the basement. The found concrete and steel metorites fused together in some strange way. Dust smothers fires and they had these hot spots weeks later, still.

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Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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SirakRomar
Thank you for those comments.

You shouldn't feel you are just "allowed", to bring this up. It should be able to be brought up whenever we want. But some people invented a rule that likes to ignore certain parts of history because they they feel it emotionalizes it to the point of thread killing. Insulting people kills threads, talking about history does not.

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Lowbacca_1977 posted:

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The whole point of Godwin's law isn't to say you can't discuss the Nazis when it fits, its just to stop throwing out the H-word every time you don't like someone

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Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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Lowbacca_1977 posted:

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The whole point of Godwin's law isn't to say you can't discuss the Nazis when it fits, its just to stop throwing out the H-word every time you don't like someone

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QFT

Exactly, This is what I have been trying to say for months, but some won't listen.

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Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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More 9/11 links to ponder

http://patriotsquestion911.com/
This one lists so many different people that think something is up, but might not be 100% sure just how deep the rabbit hole goes

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Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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http://www.ae911truth.org/
This one shows the concerns of the Architects & Engineers.
From the perspective of, well if they collapsed on there own how can we fix it, but if something else brought down the buildings then we are wasting are time.
They are really concerned about WTC7, see next link.

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Blue_Jedi33 posted:

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http://www.wtc7.net/
For some reason people forget about WTC7, this one looks at that. There is a new WTC7 built now, it's like the old never even existed, the media never said anything about it except on 9/11 to report it as news.

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Kimball_Kinnison posted:

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Please, repeat this after me:

Questions are not the same thing as proof.
Questions are not the same thing as proof.
Questions are not the same thing as proof.
Questions are not the same thing as proof.
QUESTIONS ARE NOT THE SAME THING AS PROOF.

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Kimball_Kinnison posted:

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Questions are not the same thing as proof.
Questions are not the same thing as proof.
Questions are not the same thing as proof.
Questions are not the same thing as proof.
QUESTIONS ARE NOT THE SAME THING AS PROOF.

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