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Lady Viskor
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Date Posted:
5/15/07 10:15pm
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Creationism and Evolution -- The End of the Dispute?
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Watch this film!
Made by me. Yeah, I know I misspelled Reflections. It's called dyslexia.
Watch some of my other films to get a fuller view of my ideas.
Scary, isn't it?
*wide eyes*
I wish it was scientifically provable!
*cries*
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Lowbacca_1977
Title: Senate Moderator
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Date Posted:
5/15/07 10:43pm
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RE: Creationism and Evolution -- The End of the Dispute?
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The main flaw here, I think, is that you discuss this as an end to creationism vs evolution as a debate, however you don't really address that as such. The reason that debate exists is that people think evolution is not happening. There are those that view evolution as being theistically driven, or life initially beginning with creation, and can accept evolution in that sense, and that potential hasn't led to the end of the debate.
Regarding the tower of babel, I don't think there's anything odd about how it is portrayed. Some images show it as tiered, which is how structures of the time were built, and the Babylons did build a tower, as well as their Zeiggurats, which were tiered as well. The spiral shape also has been attributed to minarets at mosques in the area, that have that spiral shape:
http://www.dur.ac.uk/derek.kennet/mosque.htm
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Lady Viskor
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Date Posted:
5/15/07 11:02pm
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RE: Creationism and Evolution -- The End of the Dispute?
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5/15/07 11:07pm (1 edits total)
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Ah. Cool.
*shrugs*
I thought it was an interesting topic nonetheless...
I think a little too much sometimes and my brain is very good at making connections, whether or not they are valid...
EDIT: I know that they really did build a physical tower, but I think it was meant to be a monument for their internal DNA structure. This is merely for the fact that the Babylonians were masters at creating mysteries and riddles, purposely designing their culture in something of a labyrinthine fashion. Why no one really knows...
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Lowbacca_1977
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5/15/07 11:10pm
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Interesting take on things, but it wouldn't do anything to end the current conflict between creationism and evolution.
And the original tower would've been, I believe, just a ziggurat. I don't think it would equate to actually matching DNA structure, as it would be tiered, not a helix like the mineret, or particularly the double helix of DNA.
What is the basis for the claim that the Babylonians were masters at mysteries and riddles?
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Lady Viskor
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Date Posted:
5/16/07 8:01am
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Mystery Religion
Babylonian Mystery Religion
Basically, from what I have read, the Babylonians themselves referred to their religious celebrations as the "Celebration of the Mysteries." This also corresponds with what I dreamed about concerning their culture. (Yes, I know I am relying mainly upon dreams and I need to be careful because alot of it was symbolically represented...)
Oh, and the Harlot is the Earth...
Because we profess we can buy and sell her using her own body parts...
We "whore" her amongst ourselves and believe we can own her...
So it's not really a mystery to me...
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dizfactor
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Date Posted:
5/16/07 9:39am
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Lady Viskor posted:
Yes, I know I am relying mainly upon dreams
Then your post probably doesn't belong in the Senate.
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Lowbacca_1977
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In all fairness diz, MLK used dreams.
Now, in a scientific debate, thats something different.
btw, us buying and selling the earth would be us pimping, not whoring.
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SuperWatto
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5/16/07 10:18am
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That's not nice, to have your first reply start with 'the main flaw here'!
Well done, Lady_Viskor! An interesting and crafty little film.
Now, next time, also try to remember to breathe 
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Lady Viskor
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5/16/07 7:40pm
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Hehe, I try, but I really am not very gifted at the spoken word.
Truthfully, I feel SO inept at times, but somethimes I also think this is kinda cool.
But I've got alot of work to do now.
YAY for research!
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Master_SweetPea
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Date Posted:
5/17/07 1:28pm
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the dispute will never end.
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Lowbacca_1977
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5/17/07 2:34pm
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I will say, I admire the effort going into this... I've been tempted, on occasion, to do similar things with my own views, mainly political.
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LordSilvertouch
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6/15/07 12:21pm
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The problem with evolution vs. creationism is that the former is a set concept which, while it adapts (bum-bum-tsch!), is basically a school of thought. Creationism can change to whatever you like. You can even argue that they are not mutually exclusive, if you're a liberal creationist, by saying that evolution happens because God intelligently designed it that way.
Fundamentalism has only survived this long because it changes so much. Most major religions today bear absolutely no resemblance to what they were when they were founded, or even 200 years ago. For example, did you know that 200 years ago the pope was not infallible (issued in 1870) and that the concept of the Virgin Mary did not exist. Mary was a focus of the religion, particularly in Catholicism as it is today, but immaculate conception as a central idea is pretty recent. Interesting how little pointers to it have since wound up in the bible... 
I'm not being offensive, since any Christian out there could quite effectively cut me short by saying that the fundamentals and ideology of a religion have not changed, particularly if you believe in the Bible as a symbolic parable in itself, as many do. However, fundamentalism does not allow for this, so therein lies something of a catch-22.
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ShaneP
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6/15/07 2:14pm
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But isn't evolution creation?
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man., who jus noticed his own title. You jerk
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Date Posted:
6/15/07 2:26pm
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Mary was a focus of the religion, particularly in Catholicism as it is today, but immaculate conception as a central idea is pretty recent. Interesting how little pointers to it have since wound up in the bible...
What's your basis for saying this?
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Quixotic-Sith
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Date Posted:
6/15/07 9:06pm
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ShaneP posted:
But isn't evolution creation?
Only if you have very, very loose definitions of these terms, in the same way that me putting together pasta and sauce "creates" spaghetti and meatballs.
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LordSilvertouch
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Date Posted:
6/16/07 8:31am
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Well, i've been trying to find my source, but the best i can manage is this.
Apologies, i got my dates wrong. It was much earlier than i mentioned, actually having originated from around the 11th century. In the 8th century, there existed a feast surrounding the "Conception of Mary" which was created before the Great Schism of 1054. Later that century, and probably related to the Schism, it was changed in the Roman Catholic Church to be the Feast of the Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. However, it wasn't until around the 18th century that the concept of the virgin birth was formalized by Pope Pius IX as Catholic dogma, and officially became recognised. The feast was also renamed the "Feast of the Immaculate Conception". It wasn't until then that immaculate conception was taken as a mainstream belief, though I've no doubt that it had existed for a long time before then as the belief of fringe elements in Christianity.
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