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BobaFrank
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Should Republicans/Conservatives be afraid to visit San Francisco?
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I am a Conservative/Republican by heart, but I still want to visit San Francisco. I'm afraid if I come to visit and my cover is blown, I'll be beaten up by people wearing Birkenstock shoes with signs saying "Save the trees, Global Warming Exists, Eat more Granola."
Are my fears justified?
P.S. I am married to a Liberal/Hippie. I've just always associated San Francisco as being the American Liberal Capital. On a side note: I still don't see how Arnie ever became Gov, being a Repulican.
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KnightWriter
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The vast majority of counties in California vote Republican, save for the obvious minority that just happen to contain a large percentage of the state's population.
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Mr44
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Alright, I'm going to be kicking myself for doing this, but not just one, but two people actually asked about the locking/unlocking of this thread... Who would have thought it?
Anyway, without any delay, board the love bus and put some flowers in your hair because this thread is unlocked...
*NOTE* Obviously, this thread has more of a tongue-in-cheek feel to it, so if it's not abused, we'll see how it goes.
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BobaFrank
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I find it interesting that the minority can outvote the majority.
Still I really want to visit San Fran, thanks to all the Dirty Harry movies I watched with my dad as a kid.  I've always been fascinated in that way. The majority of my vacation trips, i.e. Mount Rushmore, Devil's Tower Wyoming, (still wanting to visit Astoria i.e. the Goonies) are from what I've seen in the movies.
Anyway though, when I come to San Fran, should I keep my political affiliation secret?  
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I defer to Eric Cartman.
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Lowbacca_1977
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firstly, Mr44 is the man
I think my p.o.v. has shown to be....sort of radical for most environments, though I've not had any physical harm come of it. And this is from having held signs in opposition to two iraq war protests and getting into a political arguement in santa monica. and I was arguing against what I thought was over the top anti-Bush sentiment. I figure, if I didn't get beat down for those, you're fine in San Francisco unless you do something really weird.
Oh, though don't get stuck driving when the bike riding group that goes through the city every month or so does that... then that gets dangerous.
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KnightWriter
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I find it interesting that the minority can outvote the majority.
It's a microcosm of the country itself. The majority of counties in the country vote Republican, but the more heavily concentrated the population is, the more likely it is to vote Democratic. Hence why most large cities are blue on the map. Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Chicago and Philadelphia are all heavily Democratic enclaves. Phoenix is one of the few exceptions.
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KnightWriter posted:
I find it interesting that the minority can outvote the majority.
It's a microcosm of the country itself. The majority of counties in the country vote Republican, but the more heavily concentrated the population is, the more likely it is to vote Democratic. Hence why most large cities are blue on the map. Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Chicago and Philadelphia are all heavily Democratic enclaves. Phoenix is one of the few exceptions.
Which is one of the primary reasons for both the bicameral Congress and the Electoral College. It means that you have to balance raw population numbers with geographical distribution of population.
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Except that the EC ensures that at least half the states are ignored in campaigning, due to having either too few electoral votes to matter or being too red or blue for the other side to find it worth committing resources to winning. Proportional electoral votes would fix that.
California would suddenly become very much in play every four years.
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BobaFrank posted:
I am a Conservative/Republican by heart, but I still want to visit San Francisco. I'm afraid if I come to visit and my cover is blown, I'll be beaten up by people wearing Birkenstock shoes with signs saying "Save the trees, Global Warming Exists, Eat more Granola."
Are my fears justified?
Nope. I live in the Bay Area. And while SF is often considered the "Liberal Capital" of the USA, you'll be fine. I can only see you having problems if you were to walk down the main drags like Market Street, or Haight-Ashbury or Civic Center wearing an "I Love Dubya" shirt or something that broadcasts your political beliefs. Otherwise, nobody will hassle you if they don't know who you are. SF is heavily dependent on tourism for tax revenue, so the Mayor & Board of Supervisors would panic at the thought of conservatives/Republicans boycotting or avoiding the city. Berkeley, however, might be a different story, but then, I can't think of any real reason for you to go to Bezerkeley if you're not a student of the University of California.
The only district of SF where you'd have to be careful of spilling your political leanings is probably in the Castro. The Castro is SF's main gay/lesbian/bi/transgender district. You'll know you're there when you see rainbow flags flying from just about every apartment building, private business, and government office. Words like Bush, GOP, Jerry Falwell, etc are should be considered highly explosive and not to be spoken above a whisper.
Stick to places like the Financial District (Market Street), Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39 on the north side of town (this is the main tourist section of the city), Chinatown or perhaps North Beach (which also doubles as SF's red light district, so beware). One thing to remember: bring plenty of cab fare. Unless you can find a nearby garage, parking in SF is a nightmare due to hilly streets, one-way streets, and unsatisfactory public transit (which is expensive and doesn't crisscross the city properly). The cable cars only run on certain streets, so consider that before hopping on.
Besides, SF has gotten more notoriety lately because of Mayor Gavin Newsom & Nancy Pelosi, but what most non-Bay Area folks never seem to find out is that, like any other city, SF's residents are amazingly apathetic toward many things. Hard-core adherents to the Left only really come out and protest when it's been properly organized. It's not like there's a permanent group of activists on the sidewalk in front of city hall protesting the cause of the week, it just seems that way.
PM me if you have more questions. I don't live in SF, but I'm reasonably familiar with the area.
BobaFrank posted:
P.S. I am married to a Liberal/Hippie. I've just always associated San Francisco as being the American Liberal Capital. On a side note: I still don't see how Arnie ever became Gov, being a Repulican.
Are you two Mary Matalin and James Carville? 
BTW, Arnie was elected for two reasons: personal charisma, and being willing as a Republican to move to the center on a variety of issues. Don't be surprised if DC Republicans start wondering about changing the Constitution to allow foreign-born citizens to run for the presidency. But Arnold's too smart to do that.
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Lowbacca_1977 posted:
Oh, though don't get stuck driving when the bike riding group that goes through the city every month or so does that... then that gets dangerous.
Whoops, forgot about this.
Lowie's referring to what's known as Critical Mass. This only happens on the last Friday of each month. The gathering point varies from month to month, and there's no set leader or regular path they travel. When they take to the street, vehicular traffic then becomes snarled and forced to wait out the parade, as cops try to keep the bikes flowing easily and reduce waits at stoplights as best they can. This usually happens about 5pm or later. There have been some problems over the last 10 years as cyclists have occasionally gotten into fights with motorists and police getting involved, but it's more an inconvenience than it is a public hazard.
If you ask me, the gathering is the best example I can think of regarding Mr 44's old "men in the mass" sig... 
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Hey, did you like that sig? It was a quote from Charlie Chaplin...
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If you only spend one week in San Francisco you will start to drink latte while eating sushi, pay 72% tax when you rent a hybrid volvo, receive the Ney York Times for free in your hotel room, and get a couple of body piercings. You will be fine!
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Kimball_Kinnison posted:
KnightWriter posted:
I find it interesting that the minority can outvote the majority.
It's a microcosm of the country itself. The majority of counties in the country vote Republican, but the more heavily concentrated the population is, the more likely it is to vote Democratic. Hence why most large cities are blue on the map. Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Chicago and Philadelphia are all heavily Democratic enclaves. Phoenix is one of the few exceptions.
Which is one of the primary reasons for both the bicameral Congress and the Electoral College. It means that you have to balance raw population numbers with geographical distribution of population.
Kimball Kinnison
Which is a nice way of saying rural populations are over-represented.
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I'm not so sure I'd say over-represented, but I can certainly see the balance aspect. (Balance, as in compromise of sorts)
What would be the alternative, have New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago dictate policy for the remaining 2/3 of the country? While the Electorial College doesn't eliminate this aspect, it certainly mitigates it.
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dizfactor posted:
Which is a nice way of saying rural populations are over-represented.
No, it's a way of saying that whoever governs the nation needs to govern the entire nation, not just the urban parts.
It's not a straight democracy, and it wasn't designed to be.
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