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The absurdity of these two 21st century slogans.
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Ender_Sai
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6/11/07 8:39pm
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RE: The absurdity of these two 21st century slogans.
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Jabbadabbado posted:
If you say so, E_S. I'll check back in 25 years and see if sub-Saharan Africa is still a ****hole.
Come off it man, the number alone speak positively for the handful of countries on track to exceed their UNDP goals. The whole continent, not so much - but the ones who have taken reform to heart? They're getting places...
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Darth Mischievous
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6/11/07 11:24pm
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Well, not since the Egyptians has Africa seen a great civilization, much less sub-Saharan Africa. I doubt we'll see the continent motivate itself to civilize any time soon.
Poverty will simply never be history as long as human nature exists.
As was previously stated by others here, I'll echo the sentiment that undoing the damage done to the planet will be difficult at best. With the population consistently exponentially rising, it will be exceptionally and increasingly difficult. If anything, matters will get much worse in the future rather than better.... The planet won't be able to sustain the ever-increasing population. Wars, famine, and so on are probably unfortunately inevitable in the distant future.
Such slogans raise awareness, but only dimly, I think.
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Gonk
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6/12/07 6:07pm
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There's always the hope... hope... that rising living conditions will cause the more populous nations to undergo a birth-rate decline.
And in maybe a less-artificial solution than China resorts to.
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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6/21/07 8:08am
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Darth Mischievous posted:
Well, not since the Egyptians has Africa seen a great civilization, much less sub-Saharan Africa. I doubt we'll see the continent motivate itself to civilize any time soon.
So... The Empires of Sudan, Ghana, Mali, Benin ... never existed? Tsk I expected better from you Mischievous.
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Jedi_Nailbiter
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6/21/07 10:07am
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A lot of language is quite absurd. Some of it is productive though.
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Darth Mischievous
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon posted:
So... The Empires of Sudan, Ghana, Mali, Benin ... never existed? Tsk I expected better from you Mischievous.
I said great civilizations.
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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6/22/07 12:32am
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Darth Mischievous posted:
GrandAdmiralPelleaon posted:
So... The Empires of Sudan, Ghana, Mali, Benin ... never existed? Tsk I expected better from you Mischievous.
I said great civilizations.
Hold on there, what makes a civilisation great then? What makes these Empires sub-par in your view? Any rational explanation other than that they're not that often discussed in eurocentric history classes?
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Darth Mischievous
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon posted:
Any rational explanation other than that they're not that often discussed in eurocentric history classes?
Spare me that boring PC drivel.
There are great civilizations in the history of this planet that don't solely rely on European history or contexts. The Persians. The Chinese Dynasties. The Ottomans.
Those are a few examples of great civilizations.
Sorry, but those that you mentioned aren't up-to-par with those, much less even close to the European empires of history.
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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Empires that had frequent contact with Europeans are also discussed? Holy Cow!
How did the Egyptian Empire then compare with "The Great European Empires". Explain to me why Egypte was so much more civilized than say Mali or Axum?
Just because they do not play an integral part in the History you've been taught doesn't mean anything.
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Ender_Sai
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6/22/07 2:27am
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Um, DM, I'd actually suggest GAP is right and you're covering a historical ignorance with blunder.
Read up on the ones he's talking about. 
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Darth Mischievous
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I suggest measure of overall significance to history and to reality, E_S.
Those previously mentioned are hardly comparative. It's really nothing more than a measure of propping up... sort of like government assistance... for 'underpriviledged empires'.
Because they simply existed doesn't signify equivocation with greater and more relevant civilizations throughout history. The fact is that sub-Saharan Africa will be unlikely to attain levels of civilization or overall importance that other societies have, in Asia, in the Americas, and in Europe.
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Ender_Sai
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6/23/07 5:45pm
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Darth Mischievous posted:
I suggest measure of overall significance to history and to reality, E_S.
Again, Anglo-centric thinking.
I would wager, with due respect, that what you know of Chinese history versus what you need to know would be enough to fill the back of a postage stamp. Chinese history is very important for understanding China today, especially over the Taiwan issue and why China won't like to be a world power. That's hardly important to Western history but it will shape our future.
History is always important, DM. The trick is to take off filters and lenses. 
E_S
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Lowbacca_1977
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6/23/07 10:04pm
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See, the great part about Eurocentric history is, if we make it a point to eliminate the other cultures when we find em, Eurocentric history is still the best way to do it.
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Ender_Sai
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Lowbacca_1977 posted:
See, the great part about Eurocentric history is, if we make it a point to eliminate the other cultures when we find em, Eurocentric history is still the best way to do it.
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