OptimusPrime-- posted:As expected, i'm seeing people trying to make loopholes in the rules. It's the same with any other crime. If someone can find a loophole in the law they will use it. I'm not that type of person. I try to just stick with doing everything the legal way because I always seem to be the one getting caught doing these things...
PressRedForFreakMode posted:I have a similar opinion. I use downloading for a couple of songs of an artist, usually an artist i've not heard of, because i'm not big on commercialism, and if i like those songs, I usually buy the album, or stick with what I have. If i like them that much, I will go to their concerts. i don't think it's possible, realistically, for an artist/band to 'burn out' because of illegally downloading. A lot of bands nowadays are changing their styles. Funeral For A Friend are a good example, and I refuse to buy their new album. I simply don't like their work anymore.
Hammurabi posted:I used to use iTunes. Then I got really ticked off by all of their copy protection. In all honesty, if you buy a song through iTunes, you don't actually own it. iTunes still (more or less) owns it, but you've got the right to put it on your iPod and burn a few discs of it. After that, it's theirs again.
EnforcerSG posted:CitizenKane Two differences (I don't consider either one to be definitive, but these are it). First, license fees. A radio pays the recording company some cash to be aloud to play the music on their station. So even if you tape that song in theory the music company will have been compensated for it (and if so many people taped songs from the radio the fees would increase to cover that [or they would not let their songs be put on the radio any more]). Simply downloading a song isn't a big deal (it annoys them but there isn't anything they can do about it). The second difference is that uploading a song that gets their panties in a knot (especially with bittorent where you usually don't have a choice but to allow uploading to occur). If you are downloading it then someone is uploading it and that is piracy and illegal. You are getting their service for free and that is not good for their business. You are violating the copyright agreement that you technically agreed to when you opened the CD by uploading a song. Like I said, when you buy a CD you don't buy a copy of the music, you buy a license to listen to the music within certain limits and the means to do so.
EnforcerSG posted: Mustafar_66 Yes, I do believe that if enough people downloaded music illegally it could eventually make the industry collapse. The fact that only a minority are doing it does not make it right or not harmful. (I KNOW THAT PIRACY IS NOT THEFT, BUT) The minority argument can be said of theft; only a minority of people do it, so it is ok? That kind of argument is not a good one IMO.
EnforcerSG posted:I was owned... I take it back. Thank you Kimball. EDIT: I was thinking more of DVD's with their FBI warnings that basically say what you can and can not do with your copy of the media. Also I thought at one point you said something similar to what I was saying; that you don't really own a copy of the media because if you did you would have the legal right to redistribute it (or am I thinking of someone else or a different point you made?).
EnforcerSG posted:Although I was wrong and Kimball is right; I do want to mention that on several Microsoft products it says on the sticker keeping the box closed that by opening the package you agree to the License agreement enclosed. But that is just a small case and not the norm.
Kimball_Kinnison posted:You also do not need a license to run or use a computer program (see 17 USC 117 (a)(1)), although you do need a license to copy it to your hard drive (i.e. install it).
