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Lowbacca_1977 
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Registered: Jun '06
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Date Posted: 9/2/07 2:25pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Even viewed as an analogous situation, it doesn't EXPLAIN anythign with nuclear weapons. It doesn't explain or justify that a country tested nuclear weapons in an area inhabited by hundreds of thousands or possibly one million people.
Thats not at all the same as Chernobyl which, while due to ineptitude, was still an accident and affected a large number. Nor does it address that the people in the testing zone weren't even evacuated.

To contrast Russia's nonaction, in the Castle Bravo incident, a design flaw led to the explosion being 2 to 4 times more powerful than it was supposed to be, leading to fallout at Rognelap and Rongerik atolls. Both atolls were evacuated. Compensation was also given to those exposed.

 

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Ender_Sai 
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Registered: Feb '01
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Date Posted: 9/2/07 4:18pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey - Date Edited: 9/2/07 5:20pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Ender_Sai
Europe | The murder of Anna Politkovskaya


Spooky business
Aug 30th 2007 | MOSCOW
From The Economist print edition

Intriguing arrests, but few answers


WHEN Anna Politkovskaya was shot dead at the entrance to her Moscow flat last October, President Vladimir Putin quickly tried to dispel any notion that pro-Kremlin forces were behind the murder of an outspoken journalist who had exposed abuses in Chechnya and the suppression of dissent at home. Instead, he blamed the killing on enemies abroad (read: Boris Berezovsky, the ex-oligarch exiled in London) who, he said, were trying to discredit him and “create a wave of anti-Russian feeling”.

After months of investigation, Russian prosecutors have, surprise, reached the same conclusion. On August 27th Yuri Chaika, Russia's prosecutor-general, hailed the arrest of ten suspects. He declared that the masterminds were “people outside the Russian Federation” and argued that the murder was “in the interest of those who want to destabilise the situation in the country, change the constitutional order, and return to the system when money and oligarchs decided everything”.

Such political spin apart, the investigation appears to reveal disturbing links between the security services and the criminal underworld. Several of those arrested are former or serving officers of the Federal Security Service (FSB) and the police. It seems that a criminal Chechen gang, which specialised in contract killings, hired an FSB officer and his counterparts from the interior ministry to watch Ms Politkovskaya's movements. “It was strictly business, nothing personal,” says Sergei Sokolov, a senior editor at Novaya Gazeta, a newspaper Ms Politkovskaya worked for.

Mr Sokolov and his colleagues praise the work of ordinary investigators. They say the names of those arrested cropped up in the newspaper's own inquiries. What the journalists find disturbing is that confidential information was leaked and that the prosecutor-general has adopted a sweeping political interpretation before the end of the investigation. Ms Politkovskaya's colleagues say the idea that oligarchs ordered the killing is just “one version”. Nevertheless, says Mr Sokolov, “we think those who ordered the murder are inside the Russian Federation.”


Interesting - Mr Berezovsky is killing Putin critics to sow seeds of discontent in Russia, eh?

Also, why am I not surprised the FSB is consorting with criminals and hiring their services out like mercenary thugs?

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DarthBoba 
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Date Posted: 9/2/07 5:14pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Sherylin posted:
Erk posted:

Sorry, but you're not your own race.




Why, of course, not. I am nothing but a forum troll.


laugh


lol what tongue

 

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Sherylin 
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 9/2/07 10:24pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
DarthBoba posted:

laugh
lol what tongue


I'm tired. I hardly understand why I ever replied in this thread. I am not able to explain myself here on this forum, I got tired of discussing my country with unfriendly people, and I don't want to hear all the scary wicked things any more.

I'm a troll, and I want to hide under my bridge.

 

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Lowbacca_1977 
Title: Senate Moderator
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Date Posted: 9/2/07 10:40pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
You're, I think, unfairly applying "unfriendly" to people that aren't supporting the misinformation you have about your country just because its a negative truth.

Would you consider it unfriendly to tell a German that there WAS a holocaust, to tell a Turk that there was an Armenian Genocide, to tell an American that nukes were dropped on Japan and there was slavery?


Its a cop out to say that people are being unfriendly just because they're taking a critical view. Even if outnumbered. As an American that traveled abroad within 3 months of Bush's reelection (and having voted FOR Bush then), I'm darn well aware of what its like in a political discussion where you're pretty much having to defend your country. However its unfair to call that "unfriendly" just because its not what you want to hear.

 

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Sherylin 
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 1:40am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Lowbacca_1977 posted:

Would you consider it unfriendly to tell a German that there WAS a holocaust, to tell a Turk that there was an Armenian Genocide, to tell an American that nukes were dropped on Japan and there was slavery?




Yes, I think it is unfriendly. When I go to Turkey on vacation, I never talk about genocide to people there. We are talking about weather, food, music, anything with local people there. It is not polite and not friendly to tell a person about the evil things that government of his native country was/is doing all the time. But of course it depends on the manners.

 

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Lowbacca_1977 
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 2:26am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
It depends on the context as well, though. This isn't as though we're in any other section of the boards here, the subject of this forum is politics, so of course there's going to be politics discussed.

Or are you suggesting that every time Russia comes up in a political forum the comments on Russia should be kept to "I like Tetris" and "The 1812 Overture is cool"

 

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Sherylin 
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 2:36am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
No, of course not. did I suggest this? I was merely saying that I don't want to post in this topic any more, for the reasons you obviously understand already. It's that I would rather discuss Heroes of Might and Magic part 5 in the appropriate thread of the appropriate forum (sorry, I don't play Tetris any more, and Heroes 5 is the newest russian fantasy-strategy, some of my friends abroad really love it, and if someone tells you it belongs to Ubisoft, remember that they only bought the copyright, and if you check the authors there are only russian names in it happy )

No offense.

 

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Lowbacca_1977 
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 3:27am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
You did suggest that in saying that its unfriendly to say anything that you felt was critical of Russia. If you don't feel comfortable with the discussion, fine, but at least acknowledge taht its because it makes you uncomfortable, not because other people are being rude or unfriendly.

 

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Kimball_Kinnison 
Registered: Oct '01
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 5:36am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Sherylin posted:
No, of course not. did I suggest this? I was merely saying that I don't want to post in this topic any more, for the reasons you obviously understand already. It's that I would rather discuss Heroes of Might and Magic part 5 in the appropriate thread of the appropriate forum (sorry, I don't play Tetris any more, and Heroes 5 is the newest russian fantasy-strategy, some of my friends abroad really love it, and if someone tells you it belongs to Ubisoft, remember that they only bought the copyright, and if you check the authors there are only russian names in it happy )

No offense.
Actually, they didn't just buy the copyrights. Ubisoft initiated creation of the game and outsourced the production of the game to Nival Interactive, but the game was written by Nival to the standards set forward by Ubisoft. It's no more a Russian game than outsourcing it to India (which was another option they looked at) would have made it an Indian game.

The entire Heroes franchise is owned by Ubisoft (who bought it from 3DO when they went bankrupt in August 2003). At that time, 3DO had been developing Heroes V. After reviewing the progress made, Ubisoft decided to start over on the game, and outsourced it to Nival Interactive in October 2003.

So, as you can see, calling it a Russian game isn't completely accurate. It may have actually been written by Russian programmers, but it was done under the control and direction of Ubisoft. For the most part, the story came from Ubisoft, as well as the instructions for the interface and gameplay. It was pretty much only the implementation that was done by Nival.

Kimball Kinnison

 

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Sherylin 
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 5:52am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Did you actually play Heroes 5? Did you play any of the previous parts?
The difference is huge, and I can't say if I like it more or less...
Yet, the Heroes of Might and Magic series are my all-time favorite, that's why I played it from beginning to end, and now I'm waiting for another expansion (I have finished the "Hammers of Fate" expansion pack this weekend).

 

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Kimball_Kinnison 
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 7:21am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey - Date Edited: 9/3/07 8:19am (1 edits total) Edited By: Kimball_Kinnison
Sherylin posted:
Did you actually play Heroes 5? Did you play any of the previous parts?
The difference is huge, and I can't say if I like it more or less...
Yet, the Heroes of Might and Magic series are my all-time favorite, that's why I played it from beginning to end, and now I'm waiting for another expansion (I have finished the "Hammers of Fate" expansion pack this weekend).
What does any of that have to do with what I said? (And yes, I have played the previous ones. I've actually followed the series for a while.)

The biggest change between IV and V was that they decided to move to a 3D rendering engine, which makes a big difference (that was actually the primary reason behind scrapping 3DO's prior development and starting over). Heroes IV was developed by Contraband Entertainment (based out of Texas). I through III were developed in-house by New World Computing (which was then bought by 3DO).

In fact, Heroes V was developed by a French publisher (Fabrice Cambounet) using a Russian development company (Nival Interactive) for an American company (Ubisoft). However, as with other development projects, most of the creative and design decisions are made by the publisher and the contracting party (Ubisoft). Nival acted as a contractor, nothing more, doing the implementation of the design created by others.

Kimball Kinnison

EDIT: The fact that it was written by a Russian company doesn't make it a Russian game, any more than outsourcing a game to an Indian company makes something an Indian game. Would you call a movie that was written in the US, Produced by a French company, and filmed in Russia to be a Russian movie? Probably not. The same principle applies here.

 

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Sherylin 
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 9:11am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Kimball_Kinnison posted:
Would you call a movie that was written in the US, Produced by a French company, and filmed in Russia to be a Russian movie?


If all the actors in the movie are Russian, and it is filmed in Russia, I think I would call it a Russian movie, or at least a "joint production" film, even if the script (scenario) was written in US, and France paid the money for production.

 

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Kimball_Kinnison 
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 9:47am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Sherylin posted:
Kimball_Kinnison posted:
Would you call a movie that was written in the US, Produced by a French company, and filmed in Russia to be a Russian movie?


If all the actors in the movie are Russian, and it is filmed in Russia, I think I would call it a Russian movie, or at least a "joint production" film, even if the script (scenario) was written in US, and France paid the money for production.
Except that the meat of the game was created by the French producer and the American owner. The film analogy for the programmers would be if the film crew (cameramen, grips, etc) and many extras were Russian, but the director, producer, and the writer were not.

The programmers simply implement the design specifications that they were given. That's how pretty much every software development project works.

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Sherylin 
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Date Posted: 9/3/07 10:09am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Kimball_Kinnison posted:
The film analogy for the programmers would be if the film crew (cameramen, grips, etc) and many extras were Russian, but the director, producer, and the writer were not.

The programmers simply implement the design specifications that they were given. That's how pretty much every software development project works.

Kimball Kinnison




Errr.... I don't understand anything. Sorry!
Don't worry. It's a good game, and I enjoy playing it, same as my husband. We're glad that it has russian voices, russian lyrics (the text), and such. It doesn't really matter who owns the copyright etc.

Excuse me, are you a history teacher in the real life? You sound a lot like history teacher, you know a lot of things.

 

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