Author Topic: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Neo-Paladin 
Registered: Dec '04
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Date Posted: 12/9/07 7:11am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
GAJ- do you have a link to a story about this?

 

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darthdrago 
Registered: Dec '03
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Date Posted: 12/9/07 11:02am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
GrandAdmiralJello posted:
Apparently he's in talks to unify Russia and Belarus into a single country so he can become the chief executive of that new nation. It's his way to get around constitutional limitations on the Russian presidency. He's offering the Belerusian president the VPship to sweeten the pot.

Now that he's lost his "referendum" 49%-51%, My bet is that Chavez will soon be approaching Colombia with a similar offer. tongue

 

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Espaldapalabras 
Registered: Aug '05
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Date Posted: 12/9/07 11:33am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Uribe would rather be in some sort of movie involving a cup than have Chavez as his second in command. Perhaps you mean Bolivia?

 

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darthdrago 
Registered: Dec '03
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Date Posted: 12/9/07 1:47pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Nah, I meant Colombia. Getting control of all that cocaine would mean that Chavez could squeeze the US in two devastating ways: oil & drugs. Heaven forbid if he turned into both JR Ewing and Scarface at the same time.

 

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Yo_Raja 
Registered: Jul '06
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Date Posted: 12/9/07 3:44pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
GrandAdmiralJello posted:
So anyone hear about the little Belarus scheme of his?

Apparently he's in talks to unify Russia and Belarus into a single country so he can become the chief executive of that new nation. It's his way to get around constitutional limitations on the Russian presidency. He's offering the Belerusian president the VPship to sweeten the pot.

(sorry for not offering a link, I've read about it in a political science magazine - Polish Politology Review)

I haven't heard if the plan has proceeded so far, however I am aware of some efforts to tighten relationships between Russia and Belarus even more. There was a plan of introducing a monetary union, but Belarus rejected or postponed the project, if I recall correctly. No further integration (even though quite detailed projects for it were drafted) could thus occur.

Apparently Lukashenko (kill me if I know the English spelling) prefers to stay "independent", while Moscow tries to make bounds between countries more official. This definitely has something to do with the "close neighbourhood" politics (if you ask me, they should have dropped that concept long ago). I can't see how the Belarusian leader is going to "stay independent" with such a massive part of his state's budget being dependent on contracts and aid from Russia. I won't even mention ridiculous prices they get gas and oil at. And it's obvious he can't look for any protection in the West as long as his soldiers "keep the poll stations safe".

Nevertheless, I still can't believe in the "superstate" story.

 

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Ender_Sai 
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Registered: Feb '01
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Date Posted: 12/10/07 1:02pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Over to you

So, Putin's confirmed Dmitry Medvedev as his successor. Interesting.

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Mr44 
Registered: May '02
Date Posted: 12/10/07 9:46pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
It's interesting in that it represents a giant step to turn away from the traditional Soviet-era state entities and move Russia towards a "Shadowrun" corporate type of organization?

 

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Darth-Ghost 
Registered: Oct '03
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Date Posted: 12/11/07 8:22am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Medvedev says Putin should be Prime Minister

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071211/ap_on_re_eu/russia_putin

 

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Ben_Skywalker 
Registered: May '01
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Date Posted: 12/21/07 11:10am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Mr44 posted:
It's interesting in that it represents a giant step to turn away from the traditional Soviet-era state entities and move Russia towards a "Shadowrun" corporate type of organization?


well Russia is already extremely corrupt from gangs and organized crime in general. I have a couple of friends who just recently moved here from Russia and they talk about how corrupt the Russian government is. You have to be part of certain gangs in order to get any type of government job. And a majority of Russian men hate Americans. So I can see why they're rejecting our style of democracy.

 

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Sherylin 
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 12/21/07 10:21pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey - Date Edited: 12/21/07 10:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Sherylin
Ben_Skywalker posted:


well Russia is already extremely corrupt from gangs and organized crime in general. I have a couple of friends who just recently moved here from Russia and they talk about how corrupt the Russian government is. You have to be part of certain gangs in order to get any type of government job. And a majority of Russian men hate Americans. So I can see why they're rejecting our style of democracy.


Sadly this is absolutely true.

 

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Date Posted: 12/29/07 11:37pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Time names Putin "Person of the Year"

The article is surprisingly good for a Time article. tongue

 

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Alpha-Red 
Registered: Apr '04
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Date Posted: 12/30/07 12:17am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
So if they hate our style of democracy what do they intend to use as a model instead?

 

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DarthBoba 
Registered: Jun '00
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Date Posted: 1/3/08 12:29am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey - Date Edited: 1/3/08 12:34am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthBoba


There's the model, Alpha. :P

But seriously, the Cold War just didn't end over there, at least in the mentality of the government and I'm assuming at least a great majority of the people there.

I'd say Putin will remain popular as long as he continues to offer growing stability and prosperity. With Russia's lack of real enemies (not imaginary ones like NATO invading :P) and their relatively untapped natural resources, things are gonna be this wya for a long, long time, I think.

 

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Yo_Raja 
Registered: Jul '06
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 5:50pm Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
I think reading through Sherylin's posts would answer some of the questions about the persistence of current Russian regime. Actually it's the people who just don't feel that they need democracy, or that it is possible in shorter perspective. Democratic and human rights activists are a small and rather marginal group (in terms of numbers). They don't have too much political power, besides their ties to Western organisations and media. And I can't believe that it is enough to start a democratic transition.

And on a sidenote:
Alpha-Red posted:
So if they hate our style of democracy what do they intend to use as a model instead?
I hate to ruin it for you, but it's not like the US is the only democracy around that can be taken as a model.

 

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Alpha-Red 
Registered: Apr '04
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Date Posted: 2/8/08 11:10am Subject: RE: Soviet to Fascist: A Russian Journey
Yo_Raja posted:
I hate to ruin it for you, but it's not like the US is the only democracy around that can be taken as a model.


Okay but as long as they're having free elections, then who cares whether it's parliamentary versus presidential, or direct democracy versus republicanism? Those are just minor technicalities, but as far as I know, the "free election" part still hasn't been established yet.

 

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