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Forget atheism. Let's talk about nihilism.
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Atlas1946
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12/30/07 12:11pm
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Exactly. Respect my side, and I'll respect yours. There's a purpose of life, and I believe that, there's no doubt about that. I don't need proof to justify my beliefs. I couldn't care less if anyone don't respect my argument, I'm still not changin' what I clearly made my point across. Unrealistic, ha!
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MASTERPRENN
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12/30/07 12:24pm
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I reject your reality, and I substitute my own!
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Master-FatBurt
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12/30/07 12:41pm
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Ignoring the fact that religion is a big no no to me, lets just work on the fact that blind faith really irritates me.
I accept evolution because i can read evidence that supports the theory of evolution.
I accept gravity because I can read the evidence that supports the theory of gravity.
I accept but question some elements of climate change because I can see the evidence that supports it but also see compelling evidence that states it isn't all our fault (we still need to do more regardless of this)
I accept my own interpretation of what my purpose in life is, I can provide no evidence of this fact and thus expect no one else to feel that this is the true purpose of an individuals life. Because I am largely a FACT/EVIDENCE based person as opposed to FAITH based believer, if someone were to come to me and provide unequivicable proof that the purpose of life is X I would look to adjust my own mindset to accomodate the new "truth"
Just saying that "There is a purpose but we don't know what it is" is really irritating.
I don't believe in god/s because there is no evidence for me that s/he/they exist, I don't believe in Santa unless you include me in the equation as a possibility, ditto with the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. I also don't believe that Bush is intelligent enough to run a major world country and that the american Credit crunch is having a negative affect on the world econamy and has put my job at more risk that my own incompetance had it previously. I believe there is extra terrestrial life and that England will one day win another major tournament and it will be in my lifetime.
Some of the beliefs I have I can provide evidence for, My disbeliefs exist because there is no evidence for them, the remainder of my beliefs I can provide no true evidence for as they are hopes/hypothesis but I can provide information that will support my claims and add credence to my beliefs.
Saying that "There is a purpose but we don't know what it is" doesn't put you in a position to do any of these as there is no evidence for or against nor is there any supporting evidence that could provide proof of your claim.
Unless you know and have access to information that we don't
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Atlas1946
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12/30/07 12:44pm
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Nice speech, I bet you tell yourself that every night so you can sleep. Don't insult what I believe in - just don't.
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Master-FatBurt
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12/30/07 1:01pm
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RE: Forget atheism. Let's talk about nihilism.
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I'm not insulting you in anyway, my missus is a Christian for one thing so insulting something thats important to her is not anything I'd do even if it was done indirectly through you.
I also don't need to tell myself anything of an evening before I go to sleep as I'm quite content.
The thing is you're posting in the Senate and one of the aspects of posting here is that you can back yourself up.
I believe X because Goddidit = Autofail
I believe X because Science sayso = autofail
I believe X and here is supporting evidence as to why (posts reputable source) = Decent evidence and provides information to disseminate and examine.
Reading posts in the Sentate has changed my view on some things but not others and the area's where my view has been changed has always had some solid supporting evidence.
I'm not asking you not to believe that your life has a purpose, I believe it does but I personally believe you make your own purpose and anyone who waits for their purpose (Destiny for some I suppose) is wasting their life waiting for something that'll never happen.
However, if your someone who's waiting for this divine puropse but is making the best of their life then as far as me as an individual with my own beliefe is concerned you are living your life to the fullest you can but are waiting for your own personal epiphany that may or may not come. If thats you then good luck and I wish you the best, but if you want people at large to believe the same then you need to be prepared to provide evidence as to why this is true.
Again this is no attack on any faith you have but a simple fact, if you believe something then you need to be able to support why you believe it or at least put a reason forward that isn't "I don't know why I believe I just do".
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Atlas1946
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12/30/07 1:07pm
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Wasting my life? Okay, you are pushing the boundaries. Insult my beliefs again and I'm contacting an admin. I'm really fortunate with what I have and the life I'm living because of my beliefs and you tell me I'm wasting my life... How dare you. 
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man.
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12/30/07 1:23pm
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Did you even read his post?
He didn't say you are wasting your life. He said that he believes that somebody who is waiting for purpose and does nothing with their life until that purpose falls out of the sky is wasting their life, and I tend to agree. Nowhere did he say that you specifically were doing that.
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Atlas1946
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12/30/07 1:25pm
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Don't try to sugarcoat this, Prenny. I'm not in the mood for your euphemisms. I don't need it.
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MASTERPRENN
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Oh, in that case, I suppose you're right.
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Atlas1946
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12/30/07 1:33pm
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Thank you. I am a religious person - though not the obsessed kind - but it offends me saying that what I believe in is false. Fine, say what you will, but when the Apocalypse comes, you'll see. There may be proof to justify what I believe in, because I am not God, but don't fret. Anything can happen. This is my tradition, what gives me hope, and what makes me feel safe, and the thought of someone, the act of someone telling me that what I believe in is fake - that's offending. So I would like it if you just back down to a tolerable level. Thank you.
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Lowbacca_1977
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12/30/07 2:07pm
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Atlas, you put forward viewpoints. In the Senate, it is entirely fair game for any views expressed to be challenged by anyone else so long as it is done in a manner that is respectful. Now, in saying respectful, I don't mean that they have to concede that your views are at all valid, just that it should be without insult, vulgarity, and condesention. And that is exactly how you have been criticised.
You put forward a claim, and have not backed it up at all apart to say that that is what you 'believe'. That is the weakest form of support a claim can have, and by its lack of basis it is a very easy target for criticism. You need to recognise that and either accept it will be criticised here or provide reasoning for your views.
The Senate is not a forum for people to have a soapbox or just throw in their two cents without being questioned, it is for dialog and discussion and that means that anything said can be responded to and be criticised and questioned.
In general, there is NO premise that a statement can not be made simply because someone is offended by being told that they are wrong. If you are offended by being told you're wrong or your beliefs are false, then this is the wrong place for you because thats fair game.
Mod time: Atlas, at no point did Master-FatBurt insult you, he criticised your style of presenting your claim. There is nothing wrong with his posts from the perspective of rules violations. Please keep your responses to the subject of the topic, not in direct shots at other posters or by arguing its unfair if your views are questioned.
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MASTERPRENN
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12/30/07 3:54pm
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Word.
Thanks, Mr. Blue.
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Mr44
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12/30/07 9:28pm
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Atlas, you're new, so if there are any questions you have about the forum, we would be glad to answer them. We don't like to derail the actual thread, so you can ask general questions in the rules clarification sticky thread, or personal questions via PM.
But Lowbacca is absolutely correct from both the standpoint of a regular user and a member of the administration.
We try and keep the Senate forum as respectful as possible. In fact, the primary tenet of the forum is "focus on the topic, not the individual." Having said that, no single person has a "lock" on any specific topic. If you are being personally attacked, any one of us will step in. However, for your part, you also can't allow yourself to be so wrapped up in your topic that you can't separate yourself from it.
In short, it's a two way street. Everyone has their own views, backgrounds, and opinions.
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Darth Mischievous
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12/30/07 9:31pm
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Mr44 posted:
We try and keep the Senate forum as respectful as possible. In fact, the primary tenet of the forum is "focus on the topic, not the individual." Having said that, no single person has a "lock" on any specific topic. If you are being personally attacked, any one of us will step in. However, for your part, you also can't allow yourself to be so wrapped up in your topic that you can't separate yourself from it.
In short, it's a two way street. Everyone has their own views, backgrounds, and opinions.
Well said, Mr44.
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Obi-Wan McCartney
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12/31/07 11:42am
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Unless its one of the Mods doing the condescention or insulting, then they get a free pass from the other mods.
That's right! I said it! It's true too! I can only hope that Mr. 44 has reprimanded mod condescention or ("modescention") in private or has at least frowned upon it.
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