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GrandAdmiralJello
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9/30/07 6:52pm
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RE: How should the U.S. government be reformed?
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No, rich people come in all shades. The world's richest person at this point isn't white, but Hispanic.
At any rate, it's their dependability on the electorate that makes them corrupt. If they didn't hve to worry about the approval of ignorant yahoos, then campaign contributions really wouldn't be so important.
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SkyeLightrider
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RE: How should the U.S. government be reformed?
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GrandAdmiralJello posted:
Restriction of the franchise to those with a demonstrable and quantifiable ability to properly participate in the process so that mindless votes cannot be roused en masse by special interests.
I agree, also I would add this caveat: You have to prove you contribute to the society by paying taxes. I think IRS slips should be brought into voter registration and updated with each vote. I don't think one should be able to choose the leaders if they contribute nothing to the system.
Not one (wo)man, one vote. One working, tax-paying citizen, one vote.
edit: of course this doesn't help me. I pay taxes, contribute to the system, and can't vote because of nationality. Meh, don't care really. I just know I do my part as a legally-abiding resident.
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Kimball_Kinnison
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GrandAdmiralJello posted:
No, rich people come in all shades. The world's richest person at this point isn't white, but Hispanic.
Really? Are you talking about Bill Gates or Warren Buffett? 
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Lowbacca_1977
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Kimball, this paragraph is from Wikipedia's list of billionaires for 2007, and I think will explain the confusion:
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On April 11, 2007, Forbes reported that telecommunications magnate Carlos Slim Helú had risen to become the world's second richest man.[2] Later, the Wall Street Journal on August 4, 2007 and Fortune Magazine on August 6, 2007 reported that Carlos Slim Helú had topped Bill Gates' position as the wealthiest person in the world.[3][4][5] Due to exchange rates, stock valuations, and the overall impossibility of selling all shares at an equal price, the top three placeholders are statistically indistinguishable.[citation needed] The combined net worth of the list is US$3.5 trillion, a US$900 billion increase from 2006.[6]
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Kimball_Kinnison
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Lowbacca_1977 posted:
Kimball, this paragraph is from Wikipedia's list of billionaires for 2007, and I think will explain the confusion:
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On April 11, 2007, Forbes reported that telecommunications magnate Carlos Slim Helú had risen to become the world's second richest man.[2] Later, the Wall Street Journal on August 4, 2007 and Fortune Magazine on August 6, 2007 reported that Carlos Slim Helú had topped Bill Gates' position as the wealthiest person in the world.[3][4][5] Due to exchange rates, stock valuations, and the overall impossibility of selling all shares at an equal price, the top three placeholders are statistically indistinguishable.[citation needed] The combined net worth of the list is US$3.5 trillion, a US$900 billion increase from 2006.[6]
1) The three of them are "statistically indistinguishable", so we really can't say which of them is really the richest.
2) Did you not see the ?
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Rogue_Ten
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Nice dodge, GAJ, but the Census Bureau informs us that 88.9% of the "top 5%" of the population is white. Seems like a controlling stake to me. 
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Lowbacca_1977
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Isn't it something like 73% white anyway?
Oh, and KK, I didn't see the link at all.
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darth_paul
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Rogue_Ten posted:
Nice dodge, GAJ, but the Census Bureau informs us that 88.9% of the "top 5%" of the population is white. Seems like a controlling stake to me.
It appears, according to the same numbers, that 83.1% of the total population is white. No, that 6% isn't insignificant, but certainly the nonfamily households and the over-65s would have far better reason to complain about underrepresentation than the nonwhites. So hmmph.
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69.1% is white. And the census inevitably under-represents minorities... due to socioeconomics.
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DARTH_CONFEDERATE posted:
I think also the states should decide the presidency. I'd say equal representation for all, one vote per state. Whoever wins the most state wins. With that, maybe we wouldn't have so many states being ignored because the candidates couldn't win by just getting a few of the most popular like California, Texas and New York, but Arkansas and Wyoming would get an equal chance to decide.
That would be a change I would be willing to go to war to prevent. I would literally kill you with a gun on a field of battle somewhere if that would help prevent that from happening.
I feel pretty much exactly the opposite. The states are over-represented right now, and the federal government should be much, much more responsive to population than a consensus of states.
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Lord_Vivec
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Though I disagree with D_C's belief, I wouldn't go as far as killing him.
Though I would welcome the destruction of the Electoral College.
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Lord_NoONE
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The elimination of the electoral college would be an interesting development. Although I don't think it would effect any real change since inconsistencies with the electoral college vote and the popular vote occur so rarely.
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That would be a change I would be willing to go to war to prevent. I would literally kill you with a gun on a field of battle somewhere if that would help prevent that from happening.
So, you're basically undecided on the issue, Diz?
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Lowbacca_1977
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Lord_NoONE posted:
The elimination of the electoral college would be an interesting development. Although I don't think it would effect any real change since inconsistencies with the electoral college vote and the popular vote occur so rarely.
I'd actually support the EC, but I will point out that removing it will alter radically how campaigns are run because then candidates will be trying to get votes in any part of the U.S., not just in battleground states.
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dizfactor posted:
That would be a change I would be willing to go to war to prevent. I would literally kill you with a gun on a field of battle somewhere if that would help prevent that from happening.
Pretty much what happened about 142 years ago...
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