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Jediflyer
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5/15 8:38am
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Hammurabi posted:
So I totally agree with you. From the beginning, I've felt that McCain has had the most reasonable foreign policy, but I've been very wary of him from a fiscal standpoint.
How is saying that Iraq will magically be won by 2013 a reasonable foreign policy?
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Gonk
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I can see that McCain has MORE reasonable foreign policy that the Bush administration, but I really don't see any of the candidates doing anything different concerning Iraq.
How could they? Bush has put the US into a corner with little room to manuver. There's little room for variation given the situation. The variation that's been stated is unlikely to be ultimately followed by any of the candidates.
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Fluke_Groundrunner
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Hammurabi posted:
So I totally agree with you. From the beginning, I've felt that McCain has had the most reasonable foreign policy, but I've been very wary of him from a fiscal standpoint.
That is why Mitt Romney will be his running mate.
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Blithe
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KnightWriter posted:
Far be it for me to say so, but I really don't care what the folks there think about Obama just yet. They can't vote, and have no say in the presidency. I care about voters in this country that have access to accurate information, but go on believing that Obama is Muslim anyway.
Absolutely. As a man personally having seen a lot of this in his family, and with many classmates at the college level, I'm very disturbed by it, too.
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J-Rod
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Man, you can tell that GW hot the nail on the head when the Dems are so up in arms. Good for Bush.
But is anybody in the news gonna call BHO a liar for claiming to have never suggested that he would speak to radicals as the president of the United States of America?
I doubt it. We'll just hear about the "rightous Democratic outrage."
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Lord_Vivec
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J-Rod posted:
Man, you can tell that GW hot the nail on the head when the Dems are so up in arms. Good for Bush.
But is anybody in the news gonna call BHO a liar for claiming to have never suggested that he would speak to radicals as the president of the United States of America?
I doubt it. We'll just hear about the "rightous Democratic outrage."
Sad when reality doesn't agree with you, huh?
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J-Rod
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Where was I wrong?
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Darth-Ghost
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He said he wouldn't negotiate with terrorists directly, but would with sponsor governments like Iran and Syria to end their support of these terrorists. Also, he has said that if negotiations with Iran fail he would be willing to use the military option. Appeasement is just trying to please a country so they stop being a threat by giving them what they want, Obama just says we should try talking with them before blasting them away. Does that seem unreasonable to you?
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JediSmuggler
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Darth-Ghost posted:
He said he wouldn't negotiate with terrorists directly, but would with sponsor governments like Iran and Syria to end their support of these terrorists. Also, he has said that if negotiations with Iran fail he would be willing to use the military option. Appeasement is just trying to please a country so they stop being a threat by giving them what they want, Obama just says we should try talking with them before blasting them away. Does that seem unreasonable to you?
Given Ahmadinejad's pattern of conduct, not just including his comments about Israel, but Iranian support of Special Group and Taliban thugs, what is there to discuss?
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J-Rod
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Unless, Darth-Ghost, you are prepared to state that Ahmadinejad is neither a terrorist nor a radical then your statement is false.
BHO lied.
Boldly.
'Cause he knew no one would call him on it.
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Darth-Ghost
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There's an election to replace him in the spring.
Plus, the president doesn't actually have a lot of power, and he has lost a lot of support over his comments at home. The only reason he was elected last time was because the Supreme Leader said his opposition wasn't allowed to run. But I've heard he's even irritated at Ahmadinjead this time.
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He's said radical things, we have no proof that he is personally funding or responsible for terrorism (or else we would be at war). I believe we should try to negotiate with him if he wins reelection, just give it a try, so what if he's an awful and probably evil human being who we disagree with and has made awful comments. Negotiation isn't support or endorsement. We should at least TRY before we go to war. He will probably turn us down anyways, even if we did offer.
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J-Rod
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That's not the point Ghost. GW said that we should not negotiate with terrorist or radicals. Obama, assumming that Bush was taking a shot at him, denied ever saying that he would have such a meeting.
He lied.
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Darth-Ghost
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J-Rod posted:
That's not the point Ghost. GW said that we should not negociate with terrorist or radicals. Obama, assumming that Bush was taking a shot at him, denied ever saying that he would have such a meeting.
He lied.
You're twisting the meaning of the words to expand who it can be applied to. Obama never said he would meet with someone like bin Laden, but would meet with officials from Syria and Iran to help stabilize Iraq and the region.
That's NOT appeasement. Talk to your enemies, didn't even U.S. presidents talk with enemies in our past, like the Soviet Union? It's also shown progress with North Korea since we started talking to them again.
Communication isn't surrendering to your enemies' wishes.
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J-Rod posted:
Unless, Darth-Ghost, you are prepared to state that Ahmadinejad is neither a terrorist nor a radical then your statement is false.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is neither a terrorist nor a radical. He is a university professor, turned mayor of Tehran, turned President of Iran, and rules from a decidedly conservative, and populist stance. He is criticized fro hyper-stimulating the economy and exacerbating inflation, and for at times invoking religion too frequently. He is not, though, a "radical."
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J-Rod
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Jabba-wocky posted:
J-Rod posted:
Unless, Darth-Ghost, you are prepared to state that Ahmadinejad is neither a terrorist nor a radical then your statement is false.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is neither a terrorist nor a radical. He is a university professor, turned mayor of Tehran, turned President of Iran, and rules from a decidedly conservative, and populist stance. He is criticized fro hyper-stimulating the economy and exacerbating inflation, and for at times invoking religion too frequently. He is not, though, a "radical."
 
DO I have to dig up all of his radical "destroy Israel" comments? Or the firmly held belief that he's one of the embassy kidnappers from '75?
C'mon.
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