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Irrational Hatred of Hillary Clinton and George Bush
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LostOnHoth
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Feb '00
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2/5 6:33pm
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RE: Irrational Hatred of Hillary Clinton and George Bush
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As an outsider, what I am seeing played out in the media is an argument about experience. The argument being that Obama doesn't have any and Hillary's experience is essentially twofold: everything that was right with the Clinton presidency was a result of Hillary on the sidelines influencing presidential decisions; and, everthing that was bad about the Clinton presidency was a result of Bill not following Hillary's advice and guidance.
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beezel26
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2/7 7:02pm
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ironically the hispanics voted for hillary instead of obama.
I hope its for her brain but I got an odd feeling its more or less voting against Obama cause he's black.
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Espaldapalabras
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I don't know how irrational the hatred is.
I don't know much about Mexicans, but I know for a fact the black Mexicans, aka Dominicans, were some of the most racist people I have ever met in my life. Of course it didn't bother me too much because they took one look at my pasty white skin and wanted to seduce me ASAP.
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darthdrago
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2/7 7:44pm
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chibiangi posted:
I am old enough to remember when Hilary was being snarked on in the media for not baking cookies like Mrs. Bush and talking smarty talk like some uppitty woman before Clinton even had the nomination. The disdain for Hilary goes back to her not following the Jackie Kennedy mould of soft and supportive housewife.
Cookiegate did have a hand in it. I think that was the interview she & Bill gave the 60 Minutes right after that year's Super Bowl (Jan. `92). When the interviewer brought up rumor of Bill's philandering, Hillary make the big show of supporting him but not blindly--"I'm not some little woman, standing by my man and baking cookies, like Tammy Wynette" or words to that effect. Wynette herself didn't like the comment, but I remember the pundits immediately read more into the statement. Clinton inadvertently stepped on the "feminist land mine" of appearing to look down her nose at home-making women from the pre-1960s: women who were perceived to be "unenlightented" or "oppressed" by the dominant male culture, and therefore considered to be subservient and weak-willed even in the face of the male's obvious imperfections.
Hillary did apologize for the remark, but only after the outcry happened. Her husband hadn't won the presidency, hadn't even won the nomination yet, and there she was already in the middle of a controversy and back-pedaling. Right or wrong, for a lot of folks, that was their first introduction to Hillary Clinton.
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darthdrago
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2/7 7:48pm
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Espaldapalabras posted:
I don't know much about Mexicans, but I know for a fact the black Mexicans, aka Dominicans, were some of the most racist people I have ever met in my life. Of course it didn't bother me too much because they took one look at my pasty white skin and wanted to seduce me ASAP.
Espy, some advice: don't EVER say that to a Mexican/Chicano in the Southwest and definitely not in California. 
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Lowbacca_1977
Title: Senate Moderator
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2/7 9:12pm
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beezel26 posted:
ironically the hispanics voted for hillary instead of obama.
I hope its for her brain but I got an odd feeling its more or less voting against Obama cause he's black.
There's occasional reporting that gets out of a near race war coming up in parts of so cal... so its not like the two groups are the best of friends. Though, I also figure, and hope, the people involved in that violence don't vote.
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Espaldapalabras
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Espy, some advice: don't EVER say that to a Mexican/Chicano in the Southwest and definitely not in California.
You really think I'm that dumb? And actually it was more of an insult to Dominicans. 
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darthdrago
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Of COURSE I wasn't. Just checking. 
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Reecee
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2/21 2:39am
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I thought this was somewhat relevant:
Bush Approval Rating Sinks from 30% to 19%
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Jabbadabbado
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2/21 4:37am
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It would have been almost impossible to imagine after 9/11 that Bush's approval rating would eventually fall into the teens or that a majority of Republicans would disapprove of the job he was doing as president. Had Hillary only known, she could have voted the other way on Iraq and would now perhaps be in a position to win the nomination. But, and this is yet another label to hang on Hillary, she lacked political courage at a crucial moment in American history.
Not just her though. With a few notable exceptions, congressional democrats in general were so cowed by Bush's approval ratings in advance of the Iraq invasion that all other inputs into their decision-making process were entirely driven out.
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SuperWatto
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2/21 6:04am
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You serious about that? You think approval ratings make US politicians make crucial decisions with a global effect?
Well, then approval ratings are the biggest enemy of democracy.
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Jabbadabbado
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Diogenes Laërtius makes much of the fact that the citizens of Athens voted by a much wider margin to execute Socrates than they voted to convict him. They disapproved of his ironic speech in favor of leniency.
Democracy isn't about much of anything at all if not the care and feeding of public approval.
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SuperWatto
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2/21 7:15am
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Sure, but ratings are a cheap, fake copies of something resembling democracy, and can thus serve to influence a desired outcome.
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Steven_R
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2/23 8:59am
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chibiangi posted:
I am old enough to remember when Hilary was being snarked on in the media for not baking cookies like Mrs. Bush and talking smarty talk like some uppitty woman before Clinton even had the nomination. The disdain for Hilary goes back to her not following the Jackie Kennedy mould of soft and supportive housewife.
My first criticism of her had nothing to do with her not baking cookies. It had to do with her talking about Co-President and to her being appointed to the head of the Clinton Health Care Plan, a non-elected and closed door committee that would have taken 1/7th of the American economy under government control. Throw in Whitewater, cattle futures, that Hillary had a hand in firign WH Travel Office employees in May 1993 (Travelgate) and stuff that came out down the road about her, and I think I'm okay with her not baking cookies as a reason for my contempt for this woman.
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Lowbacca_1977
Title: Senate Moderator
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2/23 9:38pm
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The Co-president issue, and the other roles she tried to play simply because she was married to the president, is also my mom's biggest criticism of Hillary Clinton.
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