ShrunkenJedi posted:Why wouldn't women get the qualifications, support, experience they need to make a run for the presidency?
Lowbacca_1977 posted:I'd like to go back to Souderwan's post somewhat with a question, and to delve back at substance: One of the points you'd made was that well meaning conservatives view it as a class issue, even though blacks are disproportionately represented in the catagory of 'poor'. Two pronged question, first of all, you'd mentioned that its a matter that needs to be more properly addressed, but do you have more detail as to how you think it needs to be addressed? Second of all, do you think its perpetuated by something put upon the black community to keep them poor, something self imposed, or is it tied to the difficulty in finding social mobility so that its harder for poor blacks to work out of that condition and so the percentage stays constant?
Jedi Merkurian posted: In order to properly address conflation between blacks & lower class, or race issues as a whole, much like addiction the first step is to admit that a problem actually exists. As Souderwan said for example, well-meaning conservatives view it as a class issue, rather than a racial one. However, that ignores the connection between class and race.
Jedi Merkurian posted:"Would you also say there is a connection between class and gender, for example?" I speak best and first about what I know personally, and I'm not a woman I'll expound on my take on "female psychology" later, though.
Princess_Tina posted:ShrunkenJedi posted:Why wouldn't women get the qualifications, support, experience they need to make a run for the presidency? You may consider this to be nit picky, but by phrasing that in the present tense, it almost sounds like you're not taking into account that Clinton is, in fact, running for president. And it's quite possible that in a different scenario, she might already have gotten the Democratic nomination by now. So to me, it seems the real question isn't why this can't happen, because it is happening, but rather, why it took so long for it to happen. It's not like other Western democracies don't have or have had females as their head of state or head of government.
ShrunkenJedi posted:Why wouldn't women get the qualifications, support, experience they need to make a run for the presidency? Maybe because they aren't as likely to be given high positions and therefore necessary leadership experience in the workplace, aren't as likely to be voted to a Governorship or senatorial position, maybe they aren't as likely to be suppported by the public and given the donations and volunteers they need because of stereotypes about women, including stereotypes they have of themselves.
Princess_Tina posted:That sounds very well, but what about other forms of inequality or lack of equal opportunity? Would you also say there is a connection between class and gender, for example?
Princess_Tina posted:KnightWriter posted:I believe the vast majority of Fortune 500 CEOs are still males. There's a classic shot from the 1970s or so, when Katharine Graham was the only woman out of all of them. The most recent information I could find is included in this NYT article. As of 2005, only 1.6% of of Fortune CEOs were women. If you look at all top corporate officers, the figure is still only 16%.
KnightWriter posted:I believe the vast majority of Fortune 500 CEOs are still males. There's a classic shot from the 1970s or so, when Katharine Graham was the only woman out of all of them.
Kimball_Kinnison posted:The fact that out of 42 different Presidents, 42 of them have been white males isn't proof of discrimination today, nor is it a valid argument that things are unequal today. It essentially neglects that it takes time for equal opportunity to propagate through society to the highest levels of leadership. Those positions tend to require the most experience, and so they tend to take the longest for the "barriers" to be breached.
Princess_Tina posted:OK, so you are not a woman... but surely you interact with some? I think inequality is a phenomenon that can be explored from both sides of any given trait that has historically been associated with inequality or unequal opportunity. And shouldn't both sides try to listen to each other?
I posted:I'll expound on my take on "female psychology" later, though.
Jedi Merkurian posted: I posted:I'll expound on my take on "female psychology" later, though.
Souderwan posted:A black person must be extra cautious to appear as non-threatening to his/her white colleagues as possible in order to ensure s/he remains competitive.
