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Princess_Tina
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May '01
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5/7 7:25am
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RE: An Open Conversation on Gender Roles and Identity
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king_alvarez posted:
I think stereotypes are completely natural. I'm not sure how you could navigate the world without using some form of stereotype or social construct. Yes, ideally everyone would be treated equally, but I think that is a completely impossible ideal that would require a great deal of information regarding everyone you interact with prior to that initial moment of interaction. Even in a utopian society, I don't see how that's possible.
You know, I'm told that driver's licenses in the U.S. used to include race not too long ago. If you wanted to draw an analogy, you could argue that there is no compelling reason to highlight someone's gender any more than it is to highlight their race. This is not to say that in such scenario, everyone should act in a totally gender-neutral way, either. In today's society, it isn't exactly taboo to mention someone's ethnicity or race, but it's generally not considered polite to intentionally treat people differently based entirely on such criteria, although certain positions have historically been the exclusive domain of the dominant racial group.
The main difference is that most names are gender-specific and most people still use pronouns that differentiate between male and female. But there's already a small genderqueer movement which seeks to ease the traditional dividers that are meant to uphold the gender binary. It's not entirely impossible for future generations to move even further in that direction. I'm not going to argue that it's the way it should be or the way it will be, just that it's one possible scenario.
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Blackfryar
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this is the only US boards i found where people are so short-sighted they can not see USA is declining and going down big time. talk about propaganda.
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Princess_Tina
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Blackfryar posted:
this is the only US boards i found where people are so short-sighted they can not see USA is declining and going down big time. talk about propaganda.
And what does that have to do with gender roles? 
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ShrunkenJedi
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I don't know, but he seems to have posted the exact same thing in other Senate threads with approximately the same amount of reason to do so... 
Anyway.
I tend to agree with your assessment of the 'highlighting' of gender, it tends to be unnecessary. For one, though, most people don't tend to take offense at it... but it's just as limiting if it's used to actually assess someone as a worker/person.
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quiller
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In discussing the nature, nurture issue and differences between male and female one interesting point I have not seen brought up is if you go far back enough in history there was a very very good reason for having the separation of roles between the sex's. Like all societies the primary function was to produce offspring that survived to adults. Gathering was a very dangerous job in early society and time consuming (gone for days at a time). It would be very difficult for a pregnant female to do the gathering and would increase the chances of something happening to the baby. Also for the first months of its life the baby is dependent upon the mother for all food and it would be equally impractical for the female to take said baby on a hunting trip. A tribe could not go months, or a year with out food. Thus mostly the female stayed at home with child and children while the male handled the gathering. While this situation has no application now it wasn't until the last century that changes (medical and otherwise) have allowed the female to be separated from the newborn for long enough time to free the female to do other things then provide child care. This of course has also lead to the changes in the "normal" family unit. Especially as population levels have increased so childbearing is not a critical need for society any more.
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chibiangi
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Hate to break it to you, but women traditionally have been in charge of gathering, sometimes up to 80% of the group's daily calories. I don't know who told you that women just sat around all day, but the anthropological record disagrees with you.
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quiller
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chibiangi posted:
Hate to break it to you, but women traditionally have been in charge of gathering, sometimes up to 80% of the group's daily calories. I don't know who told you that women just sat around all day, but the anthropological record disagrees with you.
I am not talking about sitting around all day doing nothing. Yes I understand what you are saying about woman doing a lot of work around the camp area. Everyone had to do their share including men, women and children for the tribe to survive. But in general the women did not go on the long hunting trips away from the camp which were just as important to the survival as the local gathering of food.
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Lowbacca_1977
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6/15 7:29pm
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quiller, I think you'd be referring to the hunting roles, not the gathering roles.
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ZebulaNebula
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quiller posted:
chibiangi posted:
Hate to break it to you, but women traditionally have been in charge of gathering, sometimes up to 80% of the group's daily calories. I don't know who told you that women just sat around all day, but the anthropological record disagrees with you.
I am not talking about sitting around all day doing nothing. Yes I understand what you are saying about woman doing a lot of work around the camp area. Everyone had to do their share including men, women and children for the tribe to survive. But in general the women did not go on the long hunting trips away from the camp which were just as important to the survival as the local gathering of food.
The problem arose when more social importance was placed on the hunting - most likely as an incentive for males to face the inherent dangers of the hunt. Since then, masculine things have held significantly higher prestige.
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