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Darth-Ghost
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Oct '03
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Date Posted:
6/25 12:57pm
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RE: Zimbabwe
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G-FETT posted:
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I don't think there is anything we can do, unforunately.
Thats a very defeatest attitude, if I may say. DA's given us a list of possibilites.
Sure, the United States government might be able to increase some pressure, thought even it is quite limited. But as individuals, there's nothing we can do in this case, unless you actually live in Zimbabwe. It's not defeatest, it's reality. We just can't do it all, though I wish we could. There are things you can change, and there are things you just cannot change, and I feel this is something we cannot change at this moment in time. Perhaps the situation will change, I don't know. It's a bad thing, and it's worth talking about and we definitely should be talking about it, but this really is just one of those things out of our control. It's like the people who were saying we should invade Myanmar because they weren't accepting all of our aid, that would be ridiculous, there are just some things we cannot do. We would probably screw it up anyways, even if we did do something, just like we have done with Iraq and our little democracy project for the Middle East that turned on us. If we interfered, don't expect the people of Zimbabwe to greet us with flowers as their liberators and saviors either. Let them figure out their own problems, they'll probably be stronger for it in the end too.
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G-FETT
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Date Posted:
6/25 1:46pm
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RE: Zimbabwe
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6/25 2:29pm (3 edits total)
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Who's talking about invading? Of course we can't invade Zimbabwe. Certainly European and US invasions would be completely innapropriate and would just back up Mugabe's case.
However, there is much we can do diplomatically and through pressure. We can make sure Mugabe can't travel outside of his own country or certainly outside of Africa. Through the aid system we can encourage other African nations to stand up against Mugabe. And as individuals we can lobby our MP's and Congressmen to emplore their governments to take a stand. Its election year in the US. When you see your Presidential candidates, Senators and Congressmen, ask them what they think about Zimbabwe and what they intend to do.
And what about Nelson Mandela? This man travels the world as an honourary saint. Isn't it about time we demanded a much more vocal response from him against Mugabe?
This is much too important for the world to just stand by and collectively shrug its shoulders as we have done for so many years.
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Jedi Ben
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Jul '99
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Date Posted:
6/25 2:19pm
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RE: Zimbabwe
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G-FETT posted:
And what about Nelson Mandela? This man travels the world as an honourary saint. Isn't it about time we demanded a much more vocal response from him against Mugabe?
Even Mandela was unable to get that spineless arse Mbeki to act right on the AIDS crisis, don't see him being able to effect much action on this either. Of course if South Africa were to act, as it's being urged to, who knows what could happen?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23495331-details/Britain+threatens+to+block+Zimbabwe 's+electricity+supply+if+Mugabe+rigs+poll/article.do
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G-FETT
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Date Posted:
6/26 2:58am
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RE: Zimbabwe
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Jedi Ben posted:
G-FETT posted:
And what about Nelson Mandela? This man travels the world as an honourary saint. Isn't it about time we demanded a much more vocal response from him against Mugabe?
Even Mandela was unable to get that spineless arse Mbeki to act right on the AIDS crisis, don't see him being able to effect much action on this either. Of course if South Africa were to act, as it's being urged to, who knows what could happen?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23495331-details/Britain+threatens+to+block+Zimbabwe 's+electricity+supply+if+Mugabe+rigs+poll/article.do
Yeah, South Africa control Zimbabwe's electricty. The bottom line is, if SA wanted Mugabe gone, he'd go. The fact they let him remain in office is to South Africas shame!
I notice that finally Mandela has criticised Mugabe.
HERE
He's said Zimbabwe is suffering from "A lack of leadership" Nothing about the murder, rape and torture thats going on. To my mind Mandela's comments don't go nearly far enough and I don't understand why this man is touring the world as a hero, when he's so grudging in his condemnation of Mugabe.
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Darth_Asabrush
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Date Posted:
6/26 11:55am
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I agree with G-Fett. Individuals like Mandela CAN have an impact and shouldn't hide behind diplomatic niceties imho.
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Jedi Ben
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6/26 12:47pm
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Re: Mandela
The article in the Mirror today gave a couple of reasons why he hasn't opted for full condemnation right now:
- That doing so from Britain would enable Mugabe to spin it as being colonialist and so deflect it.
- By not being condemnatory, he has more ability to act behind the scenes and influence an African solution to it.
It sounds barmy, but Mugabe has survived for a long time by invoking the spectre of imperial colonialism whenever criticised by western states. In a way the only thing we can do is give the bastard enough rope to hang himself and have things get so bad the other states have to act.
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DarthTerrious
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6/26 12:59pm
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RE: Zimbabwe
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Its very hard to see what any group of united African countries will achieve. Its a very weak continent in general, corruption, greed and selfishness isn't limited Mugabe.
And that might explain why, no one before now has been bothered/upset by what Mugabe and his thugs have done to the Zimbabwean people. Even now with all the stark truth out, we still get words...empty words.
Unfortunately I think Mugabe has the African & international community where he wants them, they don't want to risk harming the Zimbabwean people yet they have to do something which while destroying Mugabe's grip could harm the people further.
Its a dangerous tightrope.
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