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darthramza Registered: Jul '08	Date Posted: 11/6 12:04am Subject: Atheism 3.0 - Date Edited: 11/6 12:12am (1 edits total) Edited By: darthramza
	The point is more that displaying pro-religious statements all over the place while attacking atheist propaganda is hypocritical, which I agree with. Though I'd prefer both sides displaying rather than both being stifled. -----signature----- "Six bullets. More than enough to kill anything that moves." - Revolver Ocelot "Blasphemy is a victimless crime" GDG, GMG, CDG, D.E.N.T.A.L. VP Ever Lovin' DM of the Saga of the Nameless Lands Unofficial Caretaker of Jocasta Nu's
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 11/6 12:44am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	Asterix_of_Gaul posted: "In God We Trust" is actually the official national motto. It is also in the last stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner. This is, historically, a religious country. People came to the new land seeking religious freedom. The founding fathers, however, were not all Christian or especially religious as far as I know. Nevertheless, I don't think printing "In God We Trust" on the coins violates anything legally. Do tell me what that Atheist sign violates legally? -----signature----- "Those of us who don't believe in science are being attacked by forces we don't understand...like momentum, acceleration, and gravity." Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10! Property of JEDI_TEEGIRLOO Currently the most attractive guy in the EUC
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Asterix_of_Gaul Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 11/6 12:59am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	Lord_Vivec posted: Asterix_of_Gaul posted: "In God We Trust" is actually the official national motto. It is also in the last stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner. This is, historically, a religious country. People came to the new land seeking religious freedom. The founding fathers, however, were not all Christian or especially religious as far as I know. Nevertheless, I don't think printing "In God We Trust" on the coins violates anything legally. Do tell me what that Atheist sign violates legally? I don't think it violates anything. I don't think there should be outrage/action over that sign any more than I think there should be outrage over "In God We Trust" printed on the coins. -----signature----- Fin
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 11/6 2:43am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	I used to think nothing of it either, and even sort of defended it here once, but learning the history to some degree over In God We Trust...yeah, get it off. -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic-Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God-Michael Shermer I'm a sexy shoeless GOD OF WAR! #347 on SLG's List Of Sexy Men
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SuperWatto Registered: Sep '00	Date Posted: 11/6 3:11am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	My real-life name means 'God is with us'. I like it.
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Jabbadabbado Title: Senate Floor Manager Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 11/6 4:48am Subject: Atheism 3.0 - Date Edited: 11/6 1:41pm (6 edits total) Edited By: Jabbadabbado
	"In God We Trust" as the slogan of our monetary policy is exceedingly appropriate. It means two things, and really one thing only. As the slogan of our monetary policy, it reminds us that the value of our monetary system is founded solely on trust and, with the reference to God pushing the concept, blind faith. If God comes first, then highlighting that on the coin of the realm must mean that money comes second. And if there is no God, then by God money must come first. By foregrounding trust in God, we invite comparison to trust in money. Now, we all know money "exists." But what about the value of money? That's the rub, and worth constant reminder. Even if I can tangibly rub two nickles together, they're not worth one red cent without our aggregate faith in their value. Unlike God, who is perpetually absent and the value of whose proposed existence remains a matter of pure conjecture, the value of money can be wished in and out of existence and scaled up and down by the power of thought. It is, like God, but also unlike God, a social concept. In short, I would hate to lose In God We Trust as a slogan. -----signature----- "As a Chicago sports fan you get used to disappointment."
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ratna Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 11/6 7:13am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	^ awesome wordsmithing! -----signature----- “What we measure affects what we do. If we have the wrong metrics, we will strive for the wrong things.” Joseph E. Stiglitz
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 11/6 10:25am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	Asterix_of_Gaul posted: Lord_Vivec posted: Asterix_of_Gaul posted: "In God We Trust" is actually the official national motto. It is also in the last stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner. This is, historically, a religious country. People came to the new land seeking religious freedom. The founding fathers, however, were not all Christian or especially religious as far as I know. Nevertheless, I don't think printing "In God We Trust" on the coins violates anything legally. Do tell me what that Atheist sign violates legally? I don't think it violates anything. I don't think there should be outrage/action over that sign any more than I think there should be outrage over "In God We Trust" printed on the coins. Exactly. I think what Yuthura was trying to get at is that the religious shouldn't be getting offended by a harmless sign and trying to get it taken down, and if they would, atheists should get after all the religious slogans in public. This is something that, while I don't think is practical and don't think should be done, I might be inclined to support out of anger. -----signature----- "Those of us who don't believe in science are being attacked by forces we don't understand...like momentum, acceleration, and gravity." Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10! Property of JEDI_TEEGIRLOO Currently the most attractive guy in the EUC
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Quixotic-Sith Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 11/6 10:30am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	I always liked "E pluribus unum" more than "In God We Trust" - it speaks more to national identity and history. -----signature----- Defense wins championships. "The professors are the enemy. Professors are the enemy! Write that on a blackboard 100 times and never forget it." - Nixon
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Lowbacca_1977 Title: Senate Moderator Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 11/6 10:54am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	Jabbadabbado posted: Even if I can tangibly rub two nickles together, they're not worth one red cent There's something I can't quite explain that draws me to that line.
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Asterix_of_Gaul Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 11/6 10:56am Subject: Atheism 3.0
	Quixotic-Sith posted: I always liked "E pluribus unum" more than "In God We Trust" - it speaks more to national identity and history. It means "one from many" right? I quite like it too. -----signature----- Fin
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Jabbadabbado Title: Senate Floor Manager Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 11/6 1:45pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
	Pairing "in God we trust" with currency has an irony I find immensely appealing. It feels like a hugely satisfying inside joke. -----signature----- "As a Chicago sports fan you get used to disappointment."
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Darth_Yuthura Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 11/6 6:53pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
	I find anyone who uses GOD to justify anything they do really is the worst kind of sinner you can ever have. Sometimes I really wish there were a God. There's just something about knowing George W Bush isn't going to burn down in hell which bothers me. I really wish there were a hell so that I could take satisfaction knowing he's going to suffer the consequences of everything he's done... and all his other cronies, but they weren't the ones who used God as an excuse.
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 11/6 7:07pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
	Problem is, if there is a God, who has absolute power, there is no guarantee that said deity would be good. Think about it; you have someone with ultimate power over everything in the universe. I would be loathe to be a plaything of some demon with absolute power. -----signature----- "Those of us who don't believe in science are being attacked by forces we don't understand...like momentum, acceleration, and gravity." Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10! Property of JEDI_TEEGIRLOO Currently the most attractive guy in the EUC
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Darth_Yuthura Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 11/6 8:12pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
	Good point. I mean think about it, if there is a ONE GOD in control of everything, then there is nothing to stop him from destroying us all. "He isn't like that, he loves everyone" "Trust in the Lord, for he's always right" "The Lord is my shepard" I really don't know how sane people could really believe in all that. If God were so great, then why does he not do anything? Why are there no spontaneous events that only God could have created? If everything makes sense WITHOUT a God being involved, then you might as well just dismiss God altogether.
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