Author Topic: Atheism 3.0
SWBob  4092 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3 12:14am Subject: Atheism 3.0
I know I have thought of killing myself cause my RPG character had died. Damn my evil ways.

 

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SuperWatto  5871 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3 12:18am Subject: Atheism 3.0
Don't worry folks; nobody reads that crap. Because look what it says at the bottom:

- This title requires a minimum order of 10,000 copies.

 

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Lowbacca_1977  8795 posts
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Registered: Jun '06
Date Posted: 7/3 2:40am Subject: Atheism 3.0
SuperWatto posted:
I assume your statement of 'there is no outside' stems from lack of observation? Apologies for my ignorance. I'm trying a go at coming at this purely theoretically. And I would think: anything that grows needs nurturing. If the universe grows, that's gotta come from somewhere. If the universe just moves around between big crunches and big bangs, it'd be like the universe is breathing - and what it's breathing has to come from somewhere. And if it's not cyclical, then it has a starting point, which to me would also imply external triggering.



The "outisde" bit more has to deal with that the universe isn't expanding INTO anything, its just that space itself is expanding. Which is one of these things that we're not used to having to conceptualise.
darthramza is also right in that the early stages of the universe are very small scale, high pressure situations where physics as we presently know it sorta fall apart. Or rather, we need more general equations, since a lot of the ones we know apply only to our conditions here. And when you look at small scales, you do also enter into quantum mechanics where you don't need causes, per se.

 

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VoijaRisa  9169 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3 3:15pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
SuperWatto posted:
I assume your statement of 'there is no outside' stems from lack of observation?
More like, "our mathematical descriptions of how space/time work make the question meaningless. Like asking 'What's north of the north pole?'. Same question, just an extra dimension."

SuperWatto posted:
anything that grows needs nurturing.
Depends on how you're defining "growth". If you shoot a cannonball, do you have to keep pushing it to keep it's distance from the cannon "growing"? Of course not.

SuperWatto posted:
If the universe grows, that's gotta come from somewhere.
You think that's bad? Try looking into inflationary theory. It postulates that not only did the "bang" start off for reasons we can't quite figure out (because as has been pointed out, our current physics is inadequate), but it suddenly sped up several orders of magnitude and then slowed down again. The theory behind this gets really weird.

VadersLaMent posted:
Dang, VR just walks in outta nowhere. peace
Dramatic entrance and all.

SuperWatto posted:
Don't worry folks; nobody reads that crap. Because look what it says at the bottom:

- This title requires a minimum order of 10,000 copies.
Then how do I have such a good collection?

 

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VadersLaMent  24973 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 5:20am Subject: Atheism 3.0
Advice for Creationists

Problem is a creationist will not take this advice because if they followed it their arguments are done.

 

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nancyallen  1674 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 3:01pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
That's a rather sweeping generalization to make. Who is to say creationists wouldn't read and follow this?

 

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VoijaRisa  9169 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 3:50pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
What he's saying, is that if they did, they'd no longer be able to be creationists because it undermines all their arguments.

 

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nancyallen  1674 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 4:14pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
However atheists read the Bible, correct? Those who follow religion also read anti religion books. Yet their arguments are not undermined. If anything what they read increases their resolve.

 

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VadersLaMent  24973 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 4:37pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
nancyallen posted:
However atheists read the Bible, correct? Those who follow religion also read anti religion books. Yet their arguments are not undermined. If anything what they read increases their resolve.


Not if they follow what I posted in the my last post.

 

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nancyallen  1674 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 5:20pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
Which leads back to the problem of saying that they won't is a sweeping generalization. You can say they might choose not to follow on what the web site says, but to say out of hand that they won't doesn't wash.

 

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Fire_Ice_Death  19918 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 6:25pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
Oh, nancyallen is back. Joy.

Anyway, came here to post this


My favorite quote is this, ""We don't agree with this. We don't like this here in our community, and this is a spiritual based community."

Mainly because it illustrates how idiotic some Christians are in confusing their faith with spirituality.

 

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nancyallen  1674 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 6:46pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
You may dispense with the ad hominem attacks. They are not going to work.

On the web site...well, there are atheists who do this all the time. They protest religious symbology and freedom of worship. You cannot have it both ways, you cannot support atheist's rights to protest religion and th condemn religion's right to protest atheism.

 

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Fire_Ice_Death  19918 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 6:56pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
nancyallen posted:
You may dispense with the ad hominem attacks. They are not going to work.

On the web site...well, there are atheists who do this all the time. They protest religious symbology and freedom of worship. You cannot have it both ways, you cannot support atheist's rights to protest religion and th condemn religion's right to protest atheism.



Weren't you just complaining about sweeping generlizations? I mean, you can't have it both ways. Well, you can have it both ways. Sometimes in more than both ways. Threeways, in fact. But I digress. And I wasn't attacking you. Get off of ze cross for a second. Not every comment is an attack. Mmkay?

 

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nancyallen  1674 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 7:00pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
Which is why I qualified the statement by saying 'there are atheists who do this all the time.' Were I to say 'atheists do this all the time' then that would be a sweeping generalization. What I'm saying is, atheists, not all atheists but some, protest against religion. Is it or is it not fair for those who follow religion to protest against atheism?

 

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Fire_Ice_Death  19918 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 8:05pm Subject: Atheism 3.0
nancyallen posted:
Which is why I qualified the statement by saying 'there are atheists who do this all the time.' Were I to say 'atheists do this all the time' then that would be a sweeping generalization. What I'm saying is, atheists, not all atheists but some, protest against religion. Is it or is it not fair for those who follow religion to protest against atheism?


Oh, they can protest, but the problem is they're trying to infringe on the group's freedom to promote themselves. Somehow I don't think Christians would tolerate that, do you?

 

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