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I like the green dessert.
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I like the green dessert.
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i also like jelly, green jelly
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Yes, Lime Jell-O is delicious. I also enjoy a tasty lemon-lime Mr. Freeze at Dairy Queen. Mmmmmm.
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Jedi Beefcake, you are painfully ignorant on this subject. Sorry, but its true. Your comments on people stealing and murdering to get their next weed fix, thats just laughable. Marijuana is not addictive. Its been proven. Millions of people smoke pot. If it was half as bad as you make out, we would surely know about it by now. How can you excuse keeping something illigal which is far less harmful than alchohol, cigerrets, even medication.
And your earlier comment about people who smoke weed being scum of the earth, hah! Buisness men smoke it, police men smoke it, perfectly responsible and good people smoke it. These people are not scum of the earth, and should not be thrown in prison along with murderers and rapists.
And i'm glad that the government would tax the hell out of it. More money to solve more important problems other than the "horror" of marijuana. You even said earlier that people that smoke pot are responsible for car jackings and other such nonsense. Believe it or not, but being high actually CALMS you down, it does not breed violent or criminal behaviour. Being drunk, however, does. I don't see you trying to make that illigal. Millions of people smoke pot, and they will continue to do so wether or not it is legal. And you deny them the right to do so, even call them scum, because you think your moraly better? I know people that smoke weed that you couldn't hold a candle to in terms of decency and morality. Get off your high horse. Your no better than pot heads.
Get some facts before you blame crime on weed smokin' hippies.
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Kimball_Kinnison
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Marijuana is not addictive.
I am getting sick of hearing this inaccurate statement. It is wrong. Marijuana is addictive. It is just not chemically addictive. There is a big difference.
Marijuana is psychologically addictive, just like gambling, sex, chocolate or any other substance/action that causes people to feel "good". However, the difference between marijuana and chocolate (for example) has to do with the harm caused by the substance (I have yet to hear of chocolate causing cancer; perhaps Hershey is covering up something?  ) and the intensity of the reaction it can cause. (Note: Chocolate does contain caffeine, which is chemically addictive, but it is in such small quantities so as tomake it nearly impossible to become addicted solely from chocolate.)
Gambling is a highly addictive activity. This has been shown many times, yet it is not chemically addictive (no partaking of chemicals involved). Marijuana is at least as addictive as gambling, if not more so. We have laws to control gambling (and outlaw it completely in most areas). Gambling does not cause physical harm to a person (again, I've yet to hear of someone getting cancer from gambling), only financial. Marijuana causes both financial and physical harm to a person.
As far as my cancer claims go, studies have shown that smoking 5 joints a week provides as many cancer-causing carcinogens as smoking a pack-a-day of cigarettes.
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KaineDamo
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Interesting, i heard marijuana is less addictive than chocolate. I don't mind people having their opinions. Kimbell brought an interesting point into the debate. Gambling is addictive. Hell, so are computer games, but niether involve addictive chemicles.
What i do mind, however, is people like Jedi Beefcake coming in and saying that people that smoke weed are scum of the earth. He makes out like he is so much above any pot smoker, no matter who they are. He even blames violent crime on this "scum". I like opinions, but lets try to back up stuff like this with facts, eh?
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Kimball_Kinnison
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Interesting, i heard marijuana is less addictive than chocolate.
I suppose that could depend on how you define "less addictive". If you go by numbers of addicts, there probably are more chocoholics than marijuana addicts. I even (jokingly) claim to be addicted to chocolate. (I'm not. I can stop any time I want. Really.  ) However, if you look at the ratio of people who've tried the substance to those who are addicted, marijuana is more addictive. (Many people are recreational users of chocolate and are not addicted. Much like me. )
What i do mind, however, is people like Jedi Beefcake coming in and saying that people that smoke weed are scum of the earth.
So ignore him, and others like him. I've been generally insulted for many reasons over the years (for reasons ranging from wearing glasses or braces to my religious beliefs). All you can do is ignore those who are just trying to stir up trouble and focus on those who are interested in real discussion.
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Obi-Wan McCartney
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Joints, because Joints are like cigarettes. The paper itself has a lot to do with the carcinogins.
Please, no one can prove that marijuana causes cancer. Sure, they think Sacrine causes cancer too. But they haven't proved it's consumption will lead to cancer. Same with marijuana. All the negative effects of the pot are short term, and no one has proved any serious long term damage.
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DARTHPIGFEET
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"Jedi Beefcake, you are painfully ignorant on this subject. Sorry, but its true. Your comments on people stealing and murdering to get their next weed fix, thats just laughable. Marijuana is not addictive. Its been proven. Millions of people smoke pot. If it was half as bad as you make out, we would surely know about it by now. How can you excuse keeping something illigal which is far less harmful than alchohol, cigerrets, even medication."
Excuse me it is very addictive. And yes if you make it for sell by perscription at a drug store you will have the same thing we have now with pain killers. People committing pharmacutical fraud. Also watch the news some time when your not on the internet and you will see that people crash large trucks and vans into drug stores so they can get the quick fix.
Beefcake never said murder, but people who want drugs will lie, cheat and steal to get it. Murder is a stretch for Pot, but to say he is ignorant is wrong.
"And your earlier comment about people who smoke weed being scum of the earth, hah"
I've looked back to his original post and he never said this comment. However go back and you will see he is all for de-criminalization of someone caught smoking Pot, and he has given his solution to how people need to be given forced drug treatment and not voluntary drug treatment if they want to stay out of jail. So I don't know where you got that qoute but your wrong there. He also apologized to another member for assuming something which wasn't true. Hense he isn't a troll.
Also Kimball and I have posted studies that show that Pot is addictive.
In closing. Okay I'm Beefcakes big brother and the big brother should always help his younger brother out. First off he was banned last night as a result of saying "Duh" which does not warent a bann, maybe a warning but not a bann. Someone called him a troll, and all my brother do was try to clarify what he had stated by his comments about the head singer for Alice in Chains. It was a shame he died because I listened to them growing up starting with the "Man in the Box" song which I played everyday when I 14 years old like crazy. It was bad that he died, but my brother was only using his sad case as an example nothing more. He didn't mean any disrespect and I know he will never apologize for what he did and I don't blame him, but I will go ahead and do it for him
because I was banned also as a result of him being banned. So this effected me as well. What he did didn't warent a bann. It was a show of the buddy system that we secretly have here, and no one on this board will get me to think any differently about that.
My brother and I share similar views on everything and I too do not see the good political or economically will do if you legalize Pot.
It's my personal experience from a group of tragic friends that I knew in my life who started doing drugs in high school and in the end 1 died and the other two have health problems as a result. The one thing which started them on this dark path was Pot, so in my book and my brothers book it's a gateway drug because it's the first drug other than Cigarettes and Alcohol that young people try.
Thank you.
P.S. I will post those studies I posted months before for everyone to look at.
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Please, no one can prove that marijuana causes cancer.
I'm sorry, but just a quick search through Google (using "marijuana" and "cancer") gives many examples of research showing a link between marijuana use and cancer (and also many pages in favor of legalizing it for medicinal purposes). For example:From CNN.com:
Smoking marijuana may be a greater cancer danger than smoking tobacco, a new study from the University of California at Los Angeles suggests.
The research, conducted on mice, was published in the July issue of the Journal of Immunology. The UCLA researchers studied the effect of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the major euphoriant in marijuana.
They found that THC can promote tumor growth in mice by impairing the body's anti-tumor immunity system. Mice with normal immune systems had significant tumor growth when injected with both lung cancer cells and THC.
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"What we already know about marijuana smoke, coupled with our new finding that THC may encourage tumor growth, suggests that regular use of marijuana may increase the risk of respiratory-tract cancer and further studies will be needed to evaluate this possibility," Dr. Steven M. Dubinett, head of the research team that conducted the study, said in a statement. From the DEA:
The harmful consequences of smoking marijuana include, but are not limited to the following: premature cancer, addiction, coordination and perception impairment, a number of mental disorders including depression, hostility and increased aggressiveness, general apathy, memory loss, reproductive disabilities, and impairment to the immune system.
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Medical marijuana has been promoted for "compassionate use" to assist people with cancer, AIDS and glaucoma. Scientific studies show the opposite is true; marijuana is damaging to individuals with these illnesses. In fact, people suffering with AIDS and glaucoma are being used unfairly by groups whose real agenda is to legalize marijuana.
- AIDS: Scientific studies indicate marijuana damages the immune system, causing further peril to already weakened immune systems. HIV-positive marijuana smokers progress to full-blown AIDS twice as fast as non-smokers and have an increased incidence of bacterial pneumonia.
- Cancer: Marijuana contains many cancer-causing substances, many of which are present in higher concentrations in marijuana than in tobacco.
- Glaucoma: Marijuana does not prevent blindness due to glaucoma.
I will admit that there has not been a single case of cancer show to be caused by marijuana alone, but that does not show that marijuana does not cause cancer. It contains many chemicals (including THC) that are known to cause cancer and weaken the immune system. The tests have been done using just the marijuana (without any of the paper used to roll joints), showing that the chemicals are in the marijuana, not the paper.
I have yet to see a study from a reputable source that shows that marijuana is harmless. On the other hand, I have seen many studies that show the dangers of marijuana. If you are going to make such claims, please cite your sources for your evidence.
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Here they are for everyone.
"Usually smoked as a cigarette or joint, or in a pipe or bong, marijuana has appeared in "blunts" in recent years. These are cigars that have been emptied of tobacco and re-filled with marijuana, sometimes in combination with another drug, such as crack. Some users also mix marijuana into foods or use it to brew tea.
The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). Short-term effects of marijuana use include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem-solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate, anxiety, and panic attacks.
Health Hazards
Effects of Marijuana on the Brain. Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain's limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information-processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.
Effects on the Lungs. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have. These individuals may have daily cough and phlegm, symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and more frequent chest colds. Continuing to smoke marijuana can lead to abnormal functioning of lung tissue injured or destroyed by marijuana smoke.
Regardless of the THC content, the amount of tar inhaled by marijuana smokers and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed are three to five times greater than among tobacco smokers. This may be due to marijuana users inhaling more deeply and holding the smoke in the lungs.
Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use on Learning and Social Behavior. A study of college students has shown that critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning are impaired among people who use marijuana heavily, even after discontinuing its use for at least 24 hours. Researchers compared 65 "heavy users," who had smoked marijuana a median of 29 of the past 30 days, and 64 "light users," who had smoked a median of 1 of the past 30 days. After a closely monitored 19- to 24-hour period of abstinence from marijuana and other illicit drugs and alcohol, the undergraduates were given several standard tests measuring aspects of attention, memory, and learning. Compared to the light users, heavy marijuana users made more errors and had more difficulty sustaining attention, shifting attention to meet the demands of changes in the environment, and in registering, processing, and using information. The findings suggest that the greater impairment among heavy users is likely due to an alteration of brain activity produced by marijuana.
Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used have lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends.
Information provided by the National Institute on Drug Abuse."
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While studies have shown that marijuana is not addictive, people can develope a dependency on it.
By the way, I'd also like to add that I'm all about legalizing Marijuana  or at the very least, decriminalizing its use.
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"decriminalize" Key word here people.
There is no good reason to keep it illeagal.
Alcohol is legal, so why shouldn't pot be legal? Alcohol is a far more dangerous substance then THC.
People are gonna do it if they want regardless of the law. So why spend millions of dollars fighting a losing war against it? And paying to house people in jails for doing it.
Take this example for instance. A friend of mine went to jail for growing 2 plants on his property. Now you the taxpayer PAID for his arrest, conviction, and his stay in jail. Then he gets out of jail. Well what do ya know, he lost his house because he couldn't pay the morgage. Being in jail will have that effect on a morgage.... Anyway, so now he is out, and HOMELESS, and JOBLESS. Now he's on welfare (guess who pays for that, you guessed it - THE TAXPAYER - ).
All because the guy liked to come home from work and smoke a few joints before going to bed. He wasn't selling it, he wasn't buying it from drug dealers. He grew it himself for his own use. And guess who gets hurt in all this mess. Again, the taxpayer.
Come on people, we need to get real here. We need to do the AMAERICAN thing. We need to turn an expense, into an asset. There is no reason the government cant take all those law enforcement positions, and turn them into agricultural positions. We should be growing the damn stuff, selling it legally, and taxing the everliving hell out of it at the same time.
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I would also like to point out for those of you that have no idea about animal testing.
These animals are force feed these chemicals in HUGE amounts over LONG periods of time.
In high school we studied about artificial sweetners. I don't remember the figures exactally now, but they were way out of proportion.
For instance: proportional to size, a human would have to eat nothing but this sweetener for weeks, if not months, too equal what these people were feeding these poor mice.
Point:
All good things are enjoyed in MODERATION.
This includes alcohol and other substances. If you use any substance regularly, or if you feel the need for this substance, you need help. Wether the substance you are using is legal or not.
.....just my opinion......
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Obi-Wan McCartney, even though I am a proponent of legalizing, at least for medicinal use, it's obvious that marijuana is highly carcinogenic. Just look at the high tar content. The key difference is that less marijuana is used for "smoking" than is tobacco, thus tobacco is still more dangerous in this manner.
Please, let's avoid the name calling everyone. Statements like ignorance, and "duh" etc. are just gonna turn this into a flame war.
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