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InnocentIII
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12/29/01 9:34pm
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::scowls:: This thread has degenerated into a worthless Republican bashing free for all. This is disgusting.
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Ender
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12/29/01 9:38pm
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Yes, quite a change from your liberal bashing.
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cydonia
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12/29/01 9:39pm
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I'm a republican, i'm still here. I just won't get into it in a bible thread.
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Ender
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12/29/01 9:49pm
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You have to realize that to him cydonia anyone who doesn't agree with his literal interpretation of the bible is a liberal.
So, how does it feel to be a liberal?
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cydonia
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12/29/01 9:51pm
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New, refreshing. Inviting if you will.
I don't love the christian right, everyone knows that. But you can't lump a whole party into that camp, otherwise you wouldn't have me. 
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Ender
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12/29/01 9:56pm
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I realize that. I mean the Pope guy. Jeez, you have to ruin my stereotypes, eh?
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cydonia
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12/29/01 10:00pm
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What we have here is a failure to communicate.
This just makes me think about my office buddy, jesus man. When he was talking about Bush, he said we have the right man in the white house. I said, well that's at least one thing we can agree on, i like W. And he was like, "But he's a christian! I thought you hated christians! You'd be surprised to know what he cares about most in life." And i'm thinking, geez i know he's a christian. Give it a rest.
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Ender
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12/29/01 10:06pm
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W is on a mission from Jesus. At least that's what he's told his close friends. He sounds a lot like your buddy at work. W believes in Armageddon as well. Just the guy you want with his finger on the button.
Other than that I love the guy!
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cydonia
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12/29/01 10:08pm
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Well, he can't legislate a belief in armageddon. (cydonia exits political discussion.)
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Ender
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12/29/01 10:13pm
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Well, he can't legislate a belief in armageddon. (cydonia exits political discussion.)
You are a wiser man than me. Never argue politics(or religion) with friends.
Or was it monkeys? Oh well, same thing really.
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cydonia
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Amen.
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TreeCave
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You know, some posters are getting close to the line of Republican bashing. I'm no fan of Republicans, but let's face a few facts here.
Folks, it's not that the Republican party is corrupt and the Democratic party is ethical. They are both for sale to the highest bidder. The only reason Republicans should be brought up here is that this is a religious discussion, and they are the party Christian fringe freaks (mainly the Christian Coalition) have chosen to infuse huge amounts of cash in the quaint practice of "lobbying", which is known as "bribery" in every other civilized country. If the Christian Coalition poured as much money into the Democrat party, I believe it would turn pro-life overnight just like the Republicans did in 1979. Snowdog is right - you're a fool to think anyone in a capitalist government is there to look out for your interests, unless your interest coincide with those of some WAY rich people who can afford to buy legislation via lobbying.
When it comes to US politics, the Christian Coalition is just one more special interest group, like the AMA, unions, PETA and everybody else that lobbies Congress for what they want. Notice I just included some groups that lobby Democrats, because it's all equally disgusting to me.
I have a relative - a former minister - who works for a TX-based Christian-oriented company that lobbies Republican senators to pass legislation they think represents Christian beliefs. This company makes a scandalous amount of money doing this by convincing small business owners they're lobbying for small business interests (which constitutes maybe 10% of their lobbying) and getting those people to buy "subscriptions" to see how the vote turns out. It's ludicrous - they simply stir up the business owner's emotions (trust me, I helped this relative fine-tune his pitch, and was paid well to do so), and the fool fails to see he's paying for nothing, since you can easily find out how your senator voted by going online or whatever.
Perhaps it would be better to discuss the unholy alliance of politics and religion in GENERAL terms, rather than naming names or parties.
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Doright
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12/31/01 1:08am
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I like talking about my religion. It helps me work out my thoughts sometimes. I do not like talking politics. Yuck.. nasty business. Money is the only religion that takes priorities in Politics. Oh well that really isn't the topic.
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eaglejedi
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Hey, I don't like Demohacks any more than the Grand Old Putsch. That thing about "prodeath" was dig at them, ya know? I was just pointing out some religiously based inconsistencies and stuff.
As for legislating a belief in Armageddon, no, but... Interesting, that means he really is living up to Reagan's legacy. Reagan believed that Armageddon was going to be a nuclear confrontation between the US and USSR at the biblically named site near Mount Megiddo, possibly sparked in some way by Arab-Israeli conflict. Of course, he also joked into a live mike that he had just ordered nuclear strikes on the Soviet Union, but that's another story.
Anyway, enough. Back on-topic.
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Darth_SnowDog
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12/31/01 10:55am
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Treecave, Doright... right on!
In 1996, I put together a short research paper on music distribution (I know this sounds out of left field, but it's closely related to the discussion... keep reading.).
The last part of my paper included a short exploration of the emerging possibility of internet distribution of music. The late 1990s gave rise to MP3 files. These files posed an enormous threat to the standard model of music distribution. Why? Because they took the monopoly out of the hands of record labels by giving artists the power to directly distribute their works to consumers.
Then came Napster...
As much as Shawn Fanning would like us to believe it, he's not doing anybody but himself a favor. What started out as probably a good idea has turned into visions of get-rich-quick schemes dancing in the heads of Shawn Fanning and the Seven Dwarfs (his executive board). Some corporate shmuck or lawyer came along and whispered "IPO" in Fanning's ear and all of a sudden he's the self-proclaimed messiah of the internet? We don't need him or his kind, despite the fact that there are some respected individuals in the music community, such as Chuck D (aka Carlton Ridenhour) of Public Enemy who have made statements supporting internet music distribution.
The Recording Industry Association of America (the "Vatican" of the music industry), headed by Jack Valenti (a man who vaguely reminds me of Emperor Palpatine in both appearance and demeanor) wants you to believe that their opposition is a simple case of copyright infringement. They're not as worried about piracy, however, as they are about obsolescence. They know that if the average Joe with a keyboard and a computer can start distributing music without the record industry's help, so can every other major artist who has brought inconceivable wealth to the likes of industry moghuls Clive Davis, Mo Ostin, Ahmet Ertegun, Tommy Mottola, David Geffen, Seymour Stein, and a handful of semi-rich puppets we usually refer to as "producers".
There are those, such as Fatboy Slim (aka Norman Cook) who produce and record and releae their own material (he puts everything out by himself, on his Astralwerks label). David Byrne has spoken years ago of the "Global Village" that we are now beginning to see through the internet. I don't buy Shawn Fanning's facade of altruism... if he really wanted to contribute something for the betterment of society, and for the freedom of every artist, then why the presidents and vice-presidents? He could just as well have given the software as public domain and left us to our own devices to use it for our benefit. No, like the evangelists, he wants us to believe that he's our savior... because of the ancillary benefit of the money he could make if the stock market believes it, too. Nobody goes to Napster looking for my music... they go looking for Britney Spears and N*Sync, bands that already have huge marketing machines behind them... what do they need Napster for?!
Despite Shawn Fanning and his Seven Dwarves' selfishness... consider the pandora's box opened. Right now, I'm working on my own music, which, when released, will have been composed, arranged, produced, performed, recorded and marketed entirely by myself. I don't really care whether or not it sells 1 million or 100 copies... and I don't really mind those artists who want the help of publicity machines either. The difference is that people are now becoming aware that, though they are there, we aren't dependent entirely on them.
People are also slowly becoming aware that, all scripturally-fabricated, dogmatically-endorsed rationalizations aside, we don't need a middleman to tell us who or what god is. If god really is omnipotent, whose presence can be felt in everything, everywhere... Why the middleman? It defies logic that god would have an intermediary other than his own avatar (if you believe in such things), unless that clause itself was concocted by greedy, selfish men.
Capitalism, like faith, isn't evil in and of itself... it's when an oligarchy/oligopoly or monarchy/monopoly takes control of the resources and limits the free exchange of ideas that it becomes a device to wield enormous power. In the early days, the Church tried to suppress free expression and limit the channels of literacy... no different than how the record industry is trying to suppress free expression and the "literacy" of the artists who could distribute their works directly.
There will always be room for artists who want or need a major label to oversell their limited talents. However, once again, the pandora's box has been opened and people are starting to ask questions about their society, about their faith... about why we rely so much on middlemen who seem to be operating out of nothing more than natural self-interest. It begs the question... What does it say when a religion has been ingrained with an endorsement of dogmatic mass-marketing? What is so lacking in that religion that people have to be enlightened by force, rather than coming to it of their own exploration and choice?
The religious, political and commercial institutions, oligopolies, monopolies, etc. are afraid of the decentralization of information more than anything... and you have to ask yourself why. I believe the answer to that question is that they know their power is secured as long as people do not know the truth. Ironic... isn't it? Truth is the biggest threat to the existence and power of organized religion.
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