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Jedi_Master201 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 1/10/02 4:53pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	Well, we shouldn't judge that person to hell, because like him, we have commited evil in some form. But God should judge him to hell, because God hasn't comitted evil, but is totally oppsed to it. -----signature----- Admiral JM201 - Wraith 12, AotCDF http://witnessincontrast.org/NewWIC/NewWebDesign/CreationVideos/creation_videos.htm [The Lord of the Rings reigns over all other works of fiction]
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roguewolf Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 1/10/02 6:02pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	Agnostic now that i have grown up and have my own beleifs. -----signature----- Jedi Knight of the People May the Force be with you, Always "Who is the more foolish, the fool or the one who follows?"
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InnocentIII Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/10/02 6:10pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	"Not True. The ONLY Church that can trace itself back to Jesus and His disciples, is the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Catholic church split from the Orthodox Church." Oh.... now that just isn't true. The Roman Catholic Church excommunicated the Eastern Church, and they in turn excommunicated the Roman Church, thus, they excommunicated each other. They split apart; one did not split from the other. FURTHERMORE, the Eastern Church traces its roots back to ANDREW, not to Peter, as the Roman Catholic Church does. Your statement is simply untrue. -----signature----- "Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre, wrest that land from the wicked race..." -Bl. Pope Urban II "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!"
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Coolguy4522 Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 1/11/02 2:31pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	You excommunicated each other, and your popes excommunicated each other, so all of you are excommunicated. That means that there is no true church of Christ on the earth, unless Jesus came and restablished His church and His priesthood. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9777663&replies=7 -My farewell thread The Senate Floor: A Higher form of flaming! (and fun) Green Apples!
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Wylding Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 1/11/02 2:40pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	Fact of the matter is religions whether they be Catholic, Eastern O., Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Wiccan, etc. are man made and thus falwed and imperfect. -----signature----- Jedi Master
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Cailina Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 1/11/02 2:41pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	"As for Wicca, witchcraft, etc. if anyone actually practices witchcraft or sorcery, AND it works, please tell me about it, how it works, etc." Please read my post on the previous page. And don't confuse Wicca with Witchcraft and don't confuse either with sorcery. "Don't mess with magic." Well magic spelled that way generally refers to stage magic. If you mean the Magick and Witches practice than I've already stated that all it is is elaborate prayer. -----signature----- Head Staff for MomoCon, GA Tech`s Free Anime and Gaming Convention Visit www.momocon.com for more information
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GreedoCMZ Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 1/12/02 1:17am Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	Fact of the matter is religions whether they be Catholic, Eastern O., Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Wiccan, etc. are man made and thus falwed and imperfect. In a weird way I think I'd agree with you on that 100%. -----signature----- Member of Inside Report I tolerate Jar Jar so bad I can't stand it. http://www.pitdroids.net
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DarthSade Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 1/12/02 3:11pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	Roman Catholic. It is the only Church founded by Jesus Christ Himself (see Matthew 16: 18, 19). There can be no "Christian first, denomination second" argument, since Jesus told his Apostles that "he who rejects you [the Apostles] rejects Me.", and the only true succesors of the Apostles, both Sacramentally and Historically, are the Pope and Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church. There you have it brothers! Pax Christi Sit Semper Vobiscum.
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Coolguy4522 Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 1/12/02 4:06pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	Your right in one way, but there is a flaw in your argument. The apostles died before they could ordain new apostles. The pope had no athority to make new popes or bishops, they needed the apostles. Us Mormons belive that Christ himself came to Joseph Smith and told him to reestablish His Church. You may disagree with us that he did do that, but if he did, then surly you can see how we belive how we do. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9777663&replies=7 -My farewell thread The Senate Floor: A Higher form of flaming! (and fun) Green Apples!
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Jedi_Master201 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 1/12/02 4:23pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	I see a problem with both of your statements. You put too much emphasis on the church. Our God is not the body of believers down here and the way they worship, but on God Himself in heaven. If Jesus were to come once again to a people, Coolguy, don't you think it would be the Jews, as He did the first time? And if not, why would He reveal Himself to one man? As for Catholicism, That has a whole lot o' pagan beliefs thrown in there, and so much is about tradition and cerimony. It's those two very things that Jesus oposed. What makes the Pope any different than the Pharisees(whom Jesus had to remind time and time again that they weren't as righteous as they claimed)? No offense to either of you, but since you both think you are the one true church, and very "quietly"(for lack of a better word) took a jab at all other forms of Christianity, I just wanted to remind you that anyone who accepts Jesus as the sacrificial Lamb foretold in the OT, and follows Him, has an inheritance in God's kingdom. -----signature----- Admiral JM201 - Wraith 12, AotCDF http://witnessincontrast.org/NewWIC/NewWebDesign/CreationVideos/creation_videos.htm [The Lord of the Rings reigns over all other works of fiction]
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Coolguy4522 Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 1/12/02 4:56pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	I have said it before, and I will say it again. I belive that my church is the only true one. I think that every religion has the truth in it, just not the whole truth. If you follow Christ and his teachings, you will eventually (in this life or the next) be lead to the one true Church. The Lord came to him because he prayed. He prayed because he read this passage in James 1:5-6. 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. This means that anyone can ask of the Lord which church is true. I don't know why he didn't go to the Jews because I haven't studied as much as I should, but I think it is because they rejected Him or something. I must admit my ignorance on this. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9777663&replies=7 -My farewell thread The Senate Floor: A Higher form of flaming! (and fun) Green Apples!
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DarthSade Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 1/12/02 7:00pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination? - Date Edited: 1/12/02 7:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthSade
	"Tradition" within the Catholic Church is not tradition as we usually understand it, like a bunch of acts, festivities or other stuff, but rather a GROUP OF TEACHINGS which constitutes part of the Depositum Fidei or Deposit of Faith. The Roman Catholic Tradition can be traced back to the Apostles themselves and the Holy Fathers of early Christendom and since it predates even the books of the New Testament, it was for a time the ONLY Depositum Fidei, thus ensuring that what was taught through which now is known as Tradition was Infallibly Inspired by the Holy Spirit. As relates to Ceremony, I'm afraid that all of us Catholics are in part to blame for degenerating the participation in Holy Ceremonies such as, especially, Holy Mass, into nothing more than a social event or conventionalism. Such ceremonies are truly acts of Devotion and moments of deep dialogue with God, both personal and collective. For example, the readings from Holy Mass are esentially Trinitarian in that we hear the Word of God the Father in the Old Testament, the life and teachings of God the Son in the Gospel and in the Responsorial Psalm praise God through God the Holy Spirit, who inspired the Bible. And, THE most important part of Holy Mass is the Consecration and Communion, in which the bread and wine TRULY become the Body and Blood of Christ, NOT SYMBOLICALLY, but by virtue of the words that the priest pronounces "...THIS IS MY BODY, WHICH WILL BE GIVEN UP FOR YOU...", since the priest has been given such powers as part of his ministry, and acts In Nomine et Personae Christi, in The Name and Person of Christ. When Jesus said "do this in memory of Me", he did not mean symbollicaly, but rather that it is not the priest who consecrates, but Christ Himself through the ordained priest's words. Also, it is true that God forbade the jews in the Old Testament to construct luxurious temples, but only because at that time the jews were impressionable nomads who could deter from the worship of the true God and believe they were worshipping the luxury of buildings and stuff. However, later He accepted the sacrifices from Solomon's Temple, and Jesus himself said that God allowed and forbade some things to the Jews which would be changed in His New and Everlasting Covenant, "because of the hardness of your hearts; but in the beginning it was not so." (Matthew 19:8), and even in the days of the Jewish High Priest Melchisedec, (who, BTW, offered bread and wine, symbolic of the future institution of the Eucharist!), we see that God is quite rigurous about the way in which sacrifice and worship are to be made, so what you refer to as "Ceremony" is not really a vague and needless thing, but really part of the respect and tribute we pay to God. What happens is that we either don't believe enough to even care about i,t or don't wish to know and treat God well enough so that we don't see the inner, spiritual fruits and richness of Religious Ceremonies. As far as the Pope goes, what makes him different from pharisees is that Jesus himself wished him to be the shepherd of His flock on earth, and prayed to God the Father so that "his faith would not falter", and gave him power to legislate divine matters on earth ("the keys to the Kingdom."). So, if the Pope were to teach error, and God Himself (as the second person of the Most Holy Trinity, Jesus Christ) wants us to obey the Pope, then God himself would be responisble for our damnation, which is absurd and repugnant. The infallibility of the Pope only applies when he addresses the totality of the Universal Church, God's People, about faith and morality and other spiritual matter. Of course he IS human and subject to PERSONAL error and sin, but is guarded from mistake in all matters directly referring to his leadership of God's Church by the Holy Spirit. As far as the "bad Popes" go, (and there have, sadly, been many throughout history), never has any such Pope been so "bad" as to change or alter any articles of faith or morality, no matter how faithless or immoral he was in his completely fallible private life, so it's a case of "the boss doesn't follow the rules, but that doesn't make them any less obligatory for YOU, who want to be a good employee, especially since they come from the CEO himself!" kind of thing. And, also, the Apostles DID ordain new priests and bishops in their lifetimes, people just haven't read the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles well enough. Jesus himself established the Presbyterium (or priesthood) and, as we already know, the Episcopate (full priesthood: Bishops). Also, "Dogma" is a Truth revealed to Humanity by God Himself, thus imposing the obligation to believe it in order to know, love and serve God as He desires. So, the Catholic Church (more specifically, the Pope)is the only one who can define Dogma. Although Public Revelation ended with the death of the Last Apostle (St. John), some truths are implicitly included in a veiled form in the Old Testament or the New Testament, and are taught explicitly and clearly by the Church at a specific point in History, but that doesn't mean there is a New Truth being revealed or added to God's revelation, but only that it is being defined and taught by the Pope's valid, God-given-and-guarded Magisterium. Such examples are the Dogmas of Papal Infallibility, which is included in Scripture, as I have exposed priorly, but was defined at a specific moment when the Holy Spirit saw it necessary for the good of the Church, (which, after all, must be united under the leadership and Magisterium of the Pope). Also, the Dogmas referring to the Blessed Virgin Mary are included in Scripture (although, I admit, quite implicitly) or come from Tradition (see first paragraph), so all Catholic Dogma is a further exposition of the Depositum Fidei, and not the "dogmas" of other churches, political parties, ideologies or philosophical movements, which only deserve, at best, "human" faith (not "supernatural" faith), and are often quite baseless, irrational, or altered from original and true Dogma, if not metaphysically inaccurate (as happens with many "dogmas" of existentialism, etc.).
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Jedi_Master201 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 1/12/02 7:14pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	Wow, nice post. I disagree with a few things, but this isn't the place to discuss them, so I'll just leave them be. -----signature----- Admiral JM201 - Wraith 12, AotCDF http://witnessincontrast.org/NewWIC/NewWebDesign/CreationVideos/creation_videos.htm [The Lord of the Rings reigns over all other works of fiction]
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jedi-thespian Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 1/12/02 7:58pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	...Denomination? Denomination? I don't HAVE a denomination. I am a non-denominational Christian, and if you think that that's laughable, it's not and I'll tell you why: Denomination means dividing. In this case, dividing of the Church into different sects: Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, etc... Now, I have been a non-denominational charasmatic Christian for basically...well, almost all of my life, and I would be nothing else. But it was only a few months ago that I happened upon this verse (I think God pointed it to me) in the Bible: I Corinthians 1:10 "Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgement." Now, I'm not saying that if you belong to a denomination, that you are going to Hell. To go to Heaven, all you have to do is except Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe that he died on the cross for our sins and rose again, and obey God's commandments, etc, etc. I'm just saying that denominational people are really missing out on what God has to offer, and if anyone here doesn't like that... I'm sorry. I am against doctrine. The Bible is NOT doctrine, the Bible is GOD'S WORD. Doctrine is what MAN has written over the years through his "interpretations" of the Bible. Allow me to elaborate: DOCTRINE says that you should just dress nice and go to Church to be saved. DOCTRINE says that you have to say (just using an example) five Hail Marys and ten Our Fathers to be forgiven by God and be saved. DOCTRINE says that do "this and that" to be saved. THE BIBLE says "whomsoever shall call upon the name of Lord shall be saved" If you ask me, what the BIBLE says is a lot simpler than some of things that some religions make you do. And another thing: Christianity should not be considered a religion, it should be considered a faith. You can become a SLAVE to "religion," but a faith... You really have more freedom. -----signature----- Meek is not weak... Fics on my bio... If you're born once, you die twice. If you're born twice, you die once... thespian, signing out
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Jedi_Master201 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 1/12/02 8:05pm Subject: RE: What is your denomination?
	"And another thing: Christianity should not be considered a religion, it should be considered a faith. You can become a SLAVE to "religion," but a faith... You really have more freedom." Exactly. -----signature----- Admiral JM201 - Wraith 12, AotCDF http://witnessincontrast.org/NewWIC/NewWebDesign/CreationVideos/creation_videos.htm [The Lord of the Rings reigns over all other works of fiction]
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