DarthKomar posted:Kimball_Kinnison posted: However, we believe that the priesthood authority, the authority to act in the name of God, was taken from the Earth because of transgression (a period known as the "Great Apostasy"). When the Apostles were killed, the authority to direct the Church was lost. That authority was restored to Joseph Smith in 1829 by John the Baptist and Peter, James, and John. That authority is necessary in order to perform the ordinances (what other churches call "sacraments") of the Gospel (such as baptism). Without receiving those ordinances, no one can be saved. People who lived and died during the time of the Great Apostasy did not have access to those ordinances. In The Acts of The Apostles, they ordained more priests and deacons with the authority given to them by Jesus. If all that authority was lost in the "Great Apostasy" then Christianity (especially Catholicism) would have died out completely and we would have no record of it until 1829 when you say Joseph Smith was given authority.
Kimball_Kinnison posted: However, we believe that the priesthood authority, the authority to act in the name of God, was taken from the Earth because of transgression (a period known as the "Great Apostasy"). When the Apostles were killed, the authority to direct the Church was lost. That authority was restored to Joseph Smith in 1829 by John the Baptist and Peter, James, and John. That authority is necessary in order to perform the ordinances (what other churches call "sacraments") of the Gospel (such as baptism). Without receiving those ordinances, no one can be saved. People who lived and died during the time of the Great Apostasy did not have access to those ordinances.
darthOB1 posted:DarthKomar posted:Kimball_Kinnison posted: However, we believe that the priesthood authority, the authority to act in the name of God, was taken from the Earth because of transgression (a period known as the "Great Apostasy"). When the Apostles were killed, the authority to direct the Church was lost. That authority was restored to Joseph Smith in 1829 by John the Baptist and Peter, James, and John. That authority is necessary in order to perform the ordinances (what other churches call "sacraments") of the Gospel (such as baptism). Without receiving those ordinances, no one can be saved. People who lived and died during the time of the Great Apostasy did not have access to those ordinances. In The Acts of The Apostles, they ordained more priests and deacons with the authority given to them by Jesus. If all that authority was lost in the "Great Apostasy" then Christianity (especially Catholicism) would have died out completely and we would have no record of it until 1829 when you say Joseph Smith was given authority. Not being a mormon I cannot fully say how/what they believe but this "great Apostasy" was an incorporation of pagan and false doctrine into the church, thus the notion that they would have disappeared is wrong. It would be more that "true" christianity was lost. The form of Christainity that the original apostles in the first century followed. After they were all dead, which scripture clearly says would happen, there was no check point if you will to filter unscriptual knowledge from being incorporated into Christianity.
Kimball_Kinnison posted:During the Apostasy, not only were the teachings of Christianity corrupted, but those keys (the authority to direct the exercising of the Priesthood) were lost. Kimball Kinnison
DarthKomar posted:Kimball_Kinnison posted:During the Apostasy, not only were the teachings of Christianity corrupted, but those keys (the authority to direct the exercising of the Priesthood) were lost. Kimball Kinnison I don't know much about the Apostasy, but on what do you base that Christianity was corrupted? The Reformation?
Jesus posted:No one may come to the Father except though me
DarthKomar posted:Jesus posted:No one may come to the Father except though me Thus the need for baptism.
DarthKomar posted: Facepalm
DarthKomar posted:I didn't spam, I used a picture rather than words. If you want to get aggressive then I believe it will be you who shall explain themselves to a modderator.
DarthKomar posted:What you said about the Nicene Creed containing teachings found nowhere in the first century. Does it really matter when it was written? All it is is an outline of what we as Christians believe. If anyone asks me what Catholics believe, I'm not at a loss for words, I just say the creed.
DarthKomar posted:Could you give some examples of the changing doctrines? I never even heard of the Apostasy until you mentioned it so I'm curious to learn.
DarthKomar posted:Also, I believe the councils being called for political reasons is ok because the Pope is also the head of state as Vatican City is it's own country. Also, they did political stuff at a time when most (if not all) of Europe was Catholic and they met to sort out disputes between countries before they became open war. I don't think God would want war, especially one that could have been avoided.
DarthKomar posted:About Joseph Smith's vision, is he the only one to have had such a vision? Ie: Has God/Jesus told anyone else that the churches are corrupt?
LostOnHoth posted:My reading of the last page or two of this thread concerning the "Great Apostasy" and the questioning/skepticism between adherents of the LDS church and the Catholic Church (for example) is not terribly different to my understanding of the differences between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Both worship the same God and scripture, but each claims to have inherited the keys to Church. Is that not too far off?
