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TripleB
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1/23/02 9:59pm
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Binary Sunset When I refer to leftists, I am refering to the Extreme Left Wing of America, as in those that primarily came of age in the 60's. You know the type I mean.
One thing that I found amusing, is the ongoing debate over Slavery Reparations. The United States only practices Slavery for about 90 years, from 1776 to 1866. Importing slaves from Africa or other lands was banned in the 1820's, I believe.
Spain, England, Portugal, and France are the ones most directly responsible for the AFrican Slave Trade, starting it back in the late 1400's/Early 1500's, yet they for some reason are being given a pass by the NAACP and Africa........
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cydonia
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We have more money than those other countries.
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TripleB
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True. If the argument is simply who did it, then they are MUCH more culpable and liable for damages then the US should be.
Spain, Portugal, England and France commited the slave trade for almost 500 years in some cases.
The 'cases' of blacks being transported by the above governments probably dwarfs any US Slave ships by any stretch.
But I guess that is too much to ask of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Danny Glover.
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cydonia
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If all three of those guys sold their expensive wardrobes and cut down on their travel expenses, they could start their own reperation fund. Nah, better i pay for it.
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Jedi_Xen
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Great article! He's right it was the Europeans that started both world wars, and if not for Americans in western Europe the Soviets (another European nation) would have started the third.
Maybe some European's should read it and be grateful we didn't decide to make the world our Empire. Perhaps even show a little gratitude that we did our jobs, kept them from being over ran and prop up their economies until they could walk on their own, and what do we get for it? Insulted.
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Jedi_Xen
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This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC 10?
If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them when the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
Stand proud, America!
Well said Mr Sinclair. I am one Yankee who is glad our Canadian brethern stands beside us and understands us. Were practically one nation sharing a peaceful border for nearly 200 years. Thats something I dont think any other nation has been able to accomplish without absorbing the other nation.
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Wedges_Wingman
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I don't particularly feel that all threads here end up being anti-US. It's more an issue of many of you good people being hyper-sensitive to criticism. As someone said in a thread, our comments aren't angry condemnations, but concerned advice from your friends. You need to realise that the US isn't paradise on earth, it isn't the best nation on earth - no nation is. You've done a great deal for the world, but you are not the world.
But you done alright my lads, you done alright.
Except for Webster's awful bloody spelling... 
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Commander Antilles
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1/24/02 6:06am
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I agree with Wedge's Wingman. Here's a repost of part of a quote I posted in the Guantanamo camp thread:
The unsettling paradox of the United States is that it is the greatest superpower the world has ever known and yet, in many ways, is deeply parochial and insular. It seems almost incapable of seeing itself as others see it. It appears genuinely puzzled when the merest hint of criticism is offered. Its reaction, invariably, is a wounded: "Can't those guys see that we're doing all this for them? Hell, we could just pull up the drawbridge and let the ungrateful bastards stew in their own juices."
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Tod
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1/24/02 7:18am
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It's rather interesting that pro-USA thread quickly turns into anti-Europe thread. As Wedges_Wingman pointed out Americans seem to take every bit of critic too seriously. I have to admit that I don't really like the fact that USA is only superpower in the world today. I don't think I'm anti-American but there should be several equally powerful nations in the world. And that's only because then world would become more democratic (remember the three principles: liberty, fraternity and equality). I have to admit (and I think everybody else should too) that we Europeans owe a lot to Americans because of Marshal Aid and all the other post-WW2 aid.
But I don't agree with people say that Europeans would have started WW3 if not for Americans.
Unlike many Americans seem to think we learned from WW2. And we paid dearly from the lesson.
I'm not forgetting Americans who also paid heavy price for participating in the war but in Europe all men, women and children had to experience the war. There were about 20 European countries in war and all but three (UK, USSR and Finland) were entirely conquered by foreign troops. And nobody in Europe wants to experience it again, so we rather try to avoid further wars and try to find alternative solutions to international problems. If I take a Star Wars example, I would say that Americans think like Kyp in NJO and Europeans think like Skywalker (this is not exactly accurate example but it’s close).
I would like to one more time point out that USA has done lot of good things for the world for which I’m grateful but USA is not perfect and should stand a little critic, like rest of us should too.
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StarFire
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1/24/02 7:25am
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I'd say this thread has turned a baleful eye towards Europe because the people there (and not all, mind you) tend to consider themselves more "advanced" than Americans morally. These people shudder when we get into a fight.
If anything, I'd say Europe came out of World War II afraid to fight. Wariness of war is a good thing, but if a war has to be fought, a war has to be fought. Americans are, perhaps, a bit too eager to fight some of these wars. However, it's annoying when you fight what should be, by all accounts, someone else's war, everything turns out for the best, and then the people you fought the war for start complaining again.
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Binary_Sunset
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TripleB, I agree with you about "reparations" for slavery. The whole thing is a scam. The precise definition for it is extortion and theft.
You wrote: "Binary Sunset When I refer to leftists, I am refering to the Extreme Left Wing of America, as in those that primarily came of age in the 60's. You know the type I mean."
OK, you're talking about the Flower Children here. Even then, though, I think you are regretably wrong when you say they are anti-military. They maybe used to be anti-military in the 60s, but now they are anti-military when a Republican is commander-in-chief, but they become pro-military when the president is a Democrat. Consider:
Most of them supported Clinton's war against Christian Serbia. They also wanted the U.S. military to intervene a couple years ago in East Timor (a favorite amongst Flower Children). In fact, they positively love the idea of U.N. military forces intervening all over the world, as long as it serves the aging Flower Child agenda.
For the most part, those losers aren't anti-military. They just want to use the military to enforce multiculturalism, feminism, abortion, and socialism all over the world. A scary bunch, really.
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Wedges_Wingman
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No no no. Republicans want the world's biggest army, but want to remain isolationists. Democrats want a small army, but want to use it all over.
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Yodave27
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When I started this thread I was not in the best of moods, but even then didn't want this to be an Anti-Europe thread. However, for some reason, Pro-US and Pro-Europe can't get along. I think its important for Europe to prosper, because what benefits you, benefits us, and vice versa..
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JediGaladriel
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Just to clarify (and I will delightedly jump into the thread later) -- the Gordon Sinclair piece actually dates from the early '70s. (Snopes report)
It's a great piece, though, and it circulated again when the war started.
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Yodave27
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That was a great article. See, that's what I want to hear from our "allies". Criticism is fine, but never have I ever heard praise towards the US. Oh and since we pump so much of OUR money into disaster areas around the world, how come NATO, or the UN, or other countries have given us money? Because anything that has substance around the world is backed monitarily by the US.
If the terrorists had attacked France, the US would have pumped a TON of money to help you guys out, and given you all the military supplies you would need. But you guys won't even allow us to fly over your airspace. Nice, really nice.
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