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ktwsolo
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6/22/02 10:58am
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TreeCave:
 Confusion levels regarding the homosexuality comment dropping...
I definitely agree with you that different words that basically mean the same thing can have very different connotations. Where we differ is that I don't perceive a Judeo/Christian leaning in the word 'God'.
But let's put this misunderstanding behind us now .
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TreeCave
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6/22/02 11:26am
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Where we differ is that I don't perceive a Judeo/Christian leaning in the word 'God'.
Right - this is what I was saying is a totally valid point of view, one I understand but just don't happen to agree with. Glad everything is clear now.
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Mister_Bunny
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6/23/02 11:43am
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So, does anyone see a parallel between the evil twisting of the "Prophecied Chosen One" in the Star Wars Hexology to the "Prophecied Chosen One" in the Judeo/Christian belief system? Such things as crusades come to mind.
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Mister_Bunny
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6/24/02 7:56pm
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I do Mister_Bunny. You make a good point!
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Mister_Bunny
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Me too! Mister_Bunny, you're the best! No threadkiller you.
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cydonia
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6/24/02 8:05pm
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You're so very special, mr. bunny.
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TreeCave
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6/24/02 8:23pm
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I was leaving it alone because I had thought that subject of discussion might go more than 2 posts before hitting the Great Wall of Christianity. Not criticizing you, Mr. Bunny - your point is quite valid, and worth of discussion if we were on a board where any use of the word "Christian" by a non-Christian didn't result in an accusation of "bashing".
If I might steer it further from Judeo-Christian topics, what precisely DOES a boddhisattva do when no one wants to be saved by him, and in fact they are just using him to rack up more "bad karma" for themselves? I won't try to make the case that what Anakin did was "good", but I think in the larger picture - looking beyond his wrong motivations - it may have been the most "right" thing for the galaxy. It at least perhaps showed people that they needed some "saving"?
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Ki-Adi Bundi
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6/25/02 6:24am
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Well, I am quite sure that the Imperials that thrived during Palpatine's ruling didn't want Anakin's salavation... It all depended on your "point of view" (isn't Obi-Wan considered a Prophet in the Jedi Religion? If not, he should, or at least he should be a Martyr).
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Darkside_Spirit
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6/25/02 8:58am
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The trouble with this is that it's a classic way for one viewpoint to try to get one over on another, in religious discussions on Star Wars boards. Theists say: "I'm surprised there are so many atheists here, when the purpose of Star Wars is to make people think about God". Atheists say: "I'm surprised there are so many Christians here; Star Wars seems mainly Buddhist in origin." And so on. It's an interesting point, but it's all been done and dusted before.
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TreeCave
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6/25/02 12:05pm
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And a lot of people regard Jesus as a Boddhisattva, which makes sense.
But here's my issue: I'm just looking for a practical way to talk on these boards without causing a flame war. And as far as I can tell, if we simply avoid using terms and names like "Christian" and "Jesus", the Christians on the board don't seem to get offended. If we simply use those names, no matter how we are using them, they start calling their ACLU lawyers. 
So, while you and I may agree that it's pretty shallow to judge a discussion by its jargon, if it gets us past this silliness, it works for me.
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Darkside_Spirit
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I doubt the ACLU would support a cause like that. Christian Coalition or something would be more likely. Anyway, I would have thought that Christians would like to be talked about more--as the saying goes, "all publicity is good publicity". I'm not sure that is true with negative (perhaps even hateful) exposure, but it probably works for offhand comments; if you talk lots about a religion, people want to know more about it. I looked into Taoism in response to an off-the-cuff reference (in a Christian Senate Floor thread, as it happens).
I was thinking about something earlier, and that is: are there any public figures (especially politicians in the US) who claim to be Judeo-Christian, or at least religious, but you suspect are just doing so for propaganda purposes? I've seen suggestions that Bill Clinton is a closet agnostic or atheist, despite claiming officially to be Baptist. I don't know how well-founded that suggestion is.
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Humble extra
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6/27/02 4:48am
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i am sure there must be......that being said, Bill could well be a christian, despite your suspicions......either that or a damm good actor, and i don't think he is that good an actor........
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TreeCave
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6/27/02 7:09pm
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I don't think many politicians are sincere about much, but as far as hearing any concrete indicators that any of them have a different belief system from what they claim, I don't know. Then agian, I tune out the religious parts of what they blither about because I think most politicians would join the Order of Baby-Feasting Horse-Marrying Satanists if they thought it would get them re-elected.
Ed. - No bashing of Christians, politicians, or Baby-Feasting Horse-Marriers is intended by this riot-inciting post. Well, maybe the politicians...
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Humble extra
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6/27/02 11:56pm
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well, luckily in NZ most politicians who hold religious beliefs tend to keep them out of politics, as far as i can tell........there are a few christians in parliament, namely the leader of the opposition, but you could never tell, cept for a large family and the occasional light hearted catholic joke....
the PM i think would be an agnostic, if not an athiest, not sure about that though
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DESERTJEDI
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6/28/02 6:47am
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