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Wylding
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Gee, I wonder if Ender is bitter?
Re: "Do chistians [sic] see Atheist [sic] as bad people?"
I must say that this is an ill formed question at it's core. It asks us to make a huge generalization/stereotype about a huge population of people.
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Jedi_Master201
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"Blame men today for what their ancestors did? How Biblical of you."
LOL 
I shouldn't have said that. The simple truth is, man did change in some areas. All across the world we have cultures with similar myths and stories, but at the same time, these stories are slightly different. It's because we all came from the same ancestors, who passed down truths to their children, who passed these truths down to their children, and so on. Somewhere along the way these people changed the stories around, and added different gods into the mix. Out of rebellion against the Bible God.Isn't it just like us to want something we don't have? The grass is always greener on the other side. Men have changed the truth and distorted it to fit their own desires.
But they aren't to blame for those who accept these "holographic hands". They don't force people to reach out to the "holographic hands", they're just the ones who invented them. The truth is plainly seen. The sins in the Bible are well known sins. I'm not talking the cleanliness codes that the Hebrews were given, but the Ten Commandments and such are just common knowledge. Anyone and everyone with a conscience knows right from wrong. Those who accept Jesus when they hear are the ones that would "accept" Him without hearing. The pharisees once asked Jesus how to have eternal life. He said to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. So, "holographic hand" or no, we can all get to heaven by faith in Jesus. And you don't need to hear of Him to have faith in Him. No, I'm not saying that those who follow God by a different name will be saved, as most who follow God by a different name don't even follow the God of the Bible. They follow man's idea of God.
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Darth Geist
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"They follow man's idea of God."
They follow an idea of God. The Bible is another (actually several)--and who here has the authority to say which idea is right?
Did God write the Bible in lightning? No. Was it written all at once? No. It was written by men from many different eras and philosophies, one piece at a time.
The Koran is said to have been dictated word-for-word from Allah himself (speaking through the prophet Mohammed). The Book of Mormon is said to have been hand-delivered by an angel. Supporters of the Bible claim that its authors each had an episode of divine inspiration, and wrote as if possessed.
What do these claims all have in common? A complete lack of proof. How is one claim better than another?
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Jedi_Master201
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I guess that's a conclusion you have to come to on your own.
I've read the book of Mormon and I have to say, it didn't really do anything for me. It was like a sequal to a movie that was already good enough the way it was. That's just my opinion. The Koran, well, I haven't really had a chance to read from it yet, but even if I did, it would speak of the same God I already follow, just with a lot of added stuff that really don't seem to cleanse you. Just a bunch of actions (again just my opinion).
The Bible, IMO, was written much differently than any other religious text. It seems to be inspired by God. It is always changing, It's living.
But again, this is a conclusion you have to come to on your own. Read some of the NT though. I've noticed that you hunt down the things that make God look bad in the OT, but haven't really posted much on the NT. If you really want to know why the Bible is different, read the NT. It will give you a much wider view of the OT.
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First: Well, th OT is basically a rule book -- do this, don't do that, REALLY don't do that, etc. The NT is more of an (I'm having trouble articulating this so forgive me if it turns out sounding really weird) insight into God and into how we should BE (not ACT), etc. etc.
Second: what does [sic] mean? Someone used it twice a few posts above?
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Jedi_Master201
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I think you are right about the OT, which is what turns many people off from it. They don't like to be told what to do.
As for "[sic]", I really have no clue. *shrugs*
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[sic] is inserted in directly quoted written materials, and it's used to indicate that even potential inaccuracies in spelling/truth/meaning/whatever have been copied verbatum.
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I have fewer issues with the NT than I do the OT, mainly due to its less questionable portrayal of God (though I still question Paul, Revelations, and the accuracy of the Gospels). It definitely has its moments, but so do many other holy books--I highly recommend the Tao, if you get a chance to read it--and as you say, so much of it comes down to opinion.
Whatever God may be, His form and voice are beyond human perception (though His handiwork remains). None of us have seen Him face to face or heard His voice come booming from the heavens. Cultures and individuals around the world each interpret His work in different ways, and create different images of what they believe His nature to be.
A famous cartoon once depicted three fish (big, medium and small). The big fish, about to eat the medium fish, thinks "All is just in the world." The medium-sized fish, about to eat the small fish while being eaten himself, thinks "The world is sometimes just." The small fish, down at the bottom of the food chain, thinks "The world is unjust."
Likewise, cultures build their religious beliefs around their environments. A South American creation myth, stemming from a culture which once lived on peas, describes how the first man was born from a pea pod. The Vikings, raiders and warriors by trade, created a pantheon of war gods, and an afterlife which rewarded not necessarily righteousness, but valor. The Hawaiians, inhabitants of a beautiful but highly unstable land, deduced that the gods were fickle and capricious. (Their equivalent to Noah's flood has one of the gods flood the world by accident.)
It's never been about rebelling against a harsh God to create a kinder one; harsher gods than Yahweh have come and gone, and in some parts of the world still exist today. It's about finding what makes sense to you, and that kind of soul-searching is one of life's very few constants.
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The Koran, well, I haven't really had a chance to read from it yet
an interesting thing about the koran: in any language other than arabic, it's not considered the koran, rather a translation of the book, but no longer the book itself. i find that rather interesting, seeing as when it was origially inspired by God, it was written it in arabic, so it has stayed pure from its original inspiration. on the other hand, what is considered to be the "original" bible was written in greek, which isn't even the language that Jesus spoke, so even the original was a translation.
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God speaks to people in a language that they can understand. I don't think he expects people to learn a new language so that they can read his book.
And if he did, you wouldn't learn a new language unless you were absolutely sure the book was true. But then how can you be sure it's true in the first place if you can't understand what's written?
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first off, i'm catholic, so i'm not saying that the koran is the true book. i just applaud their efforts to keep it as accurate as possible.
and second, in my opinion, they're right. multiple translations take away from a book, they don't add to it. when you read don quixote in english, you're not reading don quixote. you're reading the english version of don quixote. do you think that shakespeare comes across the same way in french? with translations you still get the same gist, but you can't get the original intent. you can read the english translation of the koran, but you can't read the koran unless you read arabic.
and just for loose a christian parallel, there are christians that believe that the King James Version is the only true version of the bible, and that English has become the language of christian evangelism... if you want the true version of the bible, you've got to read the english king james version. but comparing this to the koran is bull, seeing as Jesus didn't speak eenglish, and the original bible wasn't written in english.
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From my own "certain point of view," I don't see anyone as a bad person until they DO something to deserve that title. While I have been raised Catholic, I sometimes have trouble with the way my religion views things. My best way to describe it is to say "I believe in God, it's the middle-man" I have problems with." By that I mean that I believe in an "all-powerful Force" in the universe; and that it's probably man's interpretations of belief that are dividing us.
So it doesn't matter what (if any) religion you believe in, as long as your heart and actions are in the right place. If atheists believe that there is no "being" running the universe, and just a scientific reasoning behind existance...fine. As long as they can accept my belief in religion without trying to change or discredit it; I'll do the same.
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Jesus probably spoke Aramaic, which was translated into Latin, which was translated into English for the King James Bible. When you read the Bible, you are reading a translation of a translation.
A crude example of a translation of a translation:
Jesus spoke probably Aramaic, that he was translated to the Latin, that was translated to the English for King James Bible.
-The first sentence of this post, which was translated to Spanish and then back to English by BabelFish.
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Although this doesn't alter your point about translations, it's a common misconception that the King James was translated from the Latin. The translators actually went back to the earliest Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) manuscripts that were then available.
But your point is a good one. Just went to Babelfish for a laugh and translated "star wars is far superior to star trek" into Spanish and back again. It reads:
the star guerrea is far away over the arduous journey of the star
Into Italian and back again:
star is distant superior to star
I did German and back again and it came out exactly as I typed it in English. Thus proving that the Germans are indeed the most efficient nation on earth.
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Most people in Jesus' time actually spoke multiple languages, given the way of life most spoke and the different political aspects that were going on. You can't really say that Jesus spoke aramaic any more than you can say he spoke greek. It is a very realistic possibility that he spoke both languages, as well as others.
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