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TrainingForUtopia Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 9:02am Subject: 'There are many paths to god.'
	Jesus said he was the way, the truth, and the life, and that no one came to the father but through Him. So, he clearly taught that he was the only way to God. If Jesus was just another path to god, then I don't want to believe in that god, because that's a sick god if he would let Jesus go through what He did during the crucifixion process even though there were "other ways." Jesus prayed to God in the garden of gethsemane (probably not spelled right) that if there was any other way, that he would take "this cup" from His mouth. In other words, He said, "God, if there's any other way, then I'd rather do that." He knew the torture He was going to have to go through in the next 24 hours or so. But God's answer to Jesus was basically, "There's no other way. This is what has to be done." So, if you believe Jesus is just one of "many paths to god", then how can you believe in such a sick god that would do that when it wasn't even necessary? -----signature----- ~~Beauty Queen~~
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Grand_Moff_Monkey Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 9:19am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	I believe completely that all of us have fallen short of God's standard - perfection. And I believe that nothing impure can enter into heaven. We need to be cleaned up. I don't believe we can do that ourselves. However good our deeds are, we still can't attain perfection on our own merit. How many times have we said to ourselves "Ooops, I wish I hadn't done that" or "That was a mistake". So many times we fall short of our own standards, how much more do we fall short of God's standards? But I thank God that he loves us enough that he didn't just leave us to rot. Why should he do anything else? There's a price to everything that's broken. If someone breaks my stereo. Fine, I forgive them. But who pays for the stereo? God himself, being amazing and merciful that he is, has paid the price for our broken relationship with him. God is like a merciful judge who pays the fine himself when you don't have the money to pay yourself. The Bible says that "the gift of God is eternal life". Like every gift, you have to accept it and open it. If you try to give me a present and I say "I don't want it" and refuse it, do I have the gift? Likewise, with God we have to accept his gift of eternal life to receive it. If we don't, it's just as if Jesus never died for us and just as if God had left us to rot. Jesus said of himself "Whoever believes in him (the Son of God) is not condemned. Whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." (from John's Gospel 3:18) I thank God every single day for Christ's sacrifice for me. He is amazing!!! -----signature----- Now that all has been heard, here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole of man.
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Jedi_Master201 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 9:24am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	TFU, awesome point. Very well done here. GMM, I agree with everything you said. -----signature----- Admiral JM201 - Wraith 12, AotCDF http://witnessincontrast.org/NewWIC/NewWebDesign/CreationVideos/creation_videos.htm [The Lord of the Rings reigns over all other works of fiction]
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IAmTheDarkSide Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 3/11/02 9:26am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	Didn't Pythagorus think that God was just the ultimate mathematical equation or some such? -----signature----- Mastadge
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DarthPhelps Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 3/11/02 9:32am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	Likewise, GMM. Furthermore, I would propose that Jesus' sacrifice is better viewed as a reflection of God's love for us, rather than an act of cruelty against His Son (ie Himself for that matter). -----signature----- I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Sometimes I wake up grumpy. Other times I let her sleep.
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R2D2-PENA Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 9:35am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	Well guys, i'm with you, i agree with all you said. So to add to this i don't think that those who kill saying that they will inherit heaven through it, are on their way to heaven. -----signature----- Oh Yeah! from this book Evolution 1:1 "In the Beginning there was nothing, and then it exploded." Homer Simpson: "You got any of those potato chips that give you diahrrea? I need to do a little spring cleaning" no matter what you say, Episode 2 ROCKS!!
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Grand_Moff_Monkey Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 9:54am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	I agree with Phelps. We shouldn't forget that Jesus said that no one took his life from him, but he laid it down willingly - only to take it up again. Wow!! -----signature----- Now that all has been heard, here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole of man.
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Jedi_Master201 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 9:56am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	And He had to do that...why? So that only those who wanted to believe in Him would go to heaven, whereas those who didn't could still go to heaven? I don't think so. -----signature----- Admiral JM201 - Wraith 12, AotCDF http://witnessincontrast.org/NewWIC/NewWebDesign/CreationVideos/creation_videos.htm [The Lord of the Rings reigns over all other works of fiction]
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Kimball_Kinnison Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 10:13am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	TrainingForUtopia and Grand_Moff_Monkey, I have to say that I agree with you 100%. There is no way to God other than through faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ, and repentance. While a person may be able to live a good life without faith and repentance, they will not receive a fullness of blessings that God has to offer us without them. As C.S. Lewis points out, either Christ was exactly who he said he was, the Son of God, or he was a liar, a charlatan and a lunatic. There is no middle ground. If a person wishes to claim that there are many paths to God, then they must reject Christ and his teachings. Kimball Kinnison -----signature----- You deserve the wrath of Kimball...- OWM Why, Kimball... I didn't know you had it in you.- KW I think that Kimball just made a joke, and a funny joke at that.- Raven Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?
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Saint_of_Killers Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 10:28am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	"how can you believe in such a sick god that would do that when it wasn't even necessary?" How could you believe in such a sick god that he would [insert biblical, god-ordered atrocity here]? -----signature----- We enter into life naked and howling, covered with blood. The fun doesn't have to end there. Who to himself is law, no law does need, offends no law and is a king indeed Abraham failed the test. TAKE A BOW MISTER BUNNY!!!
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No blasters! Registered: Feb '00	Date Posted: 3/11/02 11:04am Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	//wonders where Ender is Yes, certainly, I would think most Christians would believe this, hence the name. -----signature----- If you're going through Hell, keep going.
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McNerf-Burger Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 3/11/02 1:00pm Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	It seems to me he would be a sicker god to send perfectly good people to hell because they didnt believe in Jesus. Are you saying Ghandi is not in heaven? This is of ultimate rudeness. -----signature----- disregard this old post if it isn't a joke post realize that I was a dumb until about fall 2003 and I created this name in highschool. this post most likely is not reflective of my true political/cultural/personal beliefs. People change! - 2005
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Genghis12 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 3/11/02 1:23pm Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.' - Date Edited: 3/11/02 1:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Genghis12
	McNerf, No one can prove if at the point of his death whether Ghandi accepted Christ as his savior or not. Therefore, you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions which may not have any basis in fact. Another point, God isn't looking for the easy way out from anyone. Sacrificing for all of mankind's sins is a rather major undertaking. God could've asked Jesus, "Hey J., would you rather pay me $2.50 and pay for all of man's sins or have to endure crucifixion, death, and ressurection?" How many people would have believed Jesus if he went around "Hey, I paid for your sins, I gave G, $2.50." How big an impact would it have had. God thinks big, and crucifixion, death and ressurection is a pretty big ordeal. Big enough to accept that such a sacrifice could pay for all our sins. If it was any less, we'd all be going, "Hey, it's no big thing, I can do that too." But, when you make the benchmark crucifixion, death and ressurection, then there's not a whole lot of people who could do that. And you know when they do, they mean business. -----signature----- ========== Intelligently Fitting The newer EU into Established Star Wars Continuity (Or How About a No-Prize) http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=1111146 "Envy the nations that have heroes. Pity the ones that need them." -- Van Zan
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Neon_Ninja Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 3/11/02 1:45pm Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	At the risk of being the one Christian dissenter here, I DO believe there are many paths to God. When Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father but by me" I believe he was pointing out his function as a member of the Godhead (trinity), not hashing out doctrine. People are able to come to God and it's because of the intervention and spiritual guidance of Jesus Christ. Whether or not the Taoist, Buddhist, Hindu, etc. chooses to acknowledge that is irrelevant. Christ died for everyone who wishes to be free of sin (i.e. suffering). So what's the point of Christianity? You get a personal relationship with the dude who made it all possible. Many if not most world religions that seem to have a connection with either the Father or the Spirit are very impersonal. "God" is not something or someone you can cuddle with. Not so with Christianity. Then their are the gifts of the spirit which almost no one seems to believe in anymore but are nonetheless available to anyone daring enough to ask for them. But as for salvation, no, I don't think Christians have a monopoly. -----signature----- The Neon Ninja says, "Learning is fun!"
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Wylding Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 3/11/02 1:49pm Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.' - Date Edited: 3/11/02 1:59pm (4 edits total) Edited By: Wylding
	You know, I think Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, and anyone else who truly desires to be free from pain and suffering will be in heaven...despite the fact that Christ said that no one comes to the father except through him. My reasons for this are twofold. Number one, the verse does not say that there is only one way to come to know Christ. Two, this verse does not mention salvation or heaven, only being with the father. Therefore, it is my belief that one can come to know Christ or God the father HIMSELF personally in a quiet moment of contemplation or out on the ocean on a surf-board. They may not call him Christ or God the Father, because he didn't choose to reveal himself that way, but in my opinion it is him nonetheless. Here's a little support for my position and a little something for all of my traditional Christian brothers and sisters to think on. John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, "And they shall all be taught by God." Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. Edit: Here's another good verse on this subject: John 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. Edit again: Damn Neon_Ninja, you beat me to it! -----signature----- Jedi Master
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Darkside_Spirit Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 3/11/02 2:44pm Subject: RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
	As C.S. Lewis points out, either Christ was exactly who he said he was, the Son of God, or he was a liar, a charlatan and a lunatic. There is no middle ground. If a person wishes to claim that there are many paths to God, then they must reject Christ and his teachings. You've forgotten the third option - Jesus never existed as a person at all. In that case, he wasn't the son of god, nor was he a liar, charlatan or lunatic. He wasn't anything. Jesus said he was the way, the truth, and the life, and that no one came to the father but through Him. So, he clearly taught that he was the only way to God. If Jesus was just another path to god, then I don't want to believe in that god, because that's a sick god if he would let Jesus go through what He did during the crucifixion process even though there were "other ways." Jesus prayed to God in the garden of gethsemane (probably not spelled right) that if there was any other way, that he would take "this cup" from His mouth. In other words, He said, "God, if there's any other way, then I'd rather do that." He knew the torture He was going to have to go through in the next 24 hours or so. But God's answer to Jesus was basically, "There's no other way. This is what has to be done." So, if you believe Jesus is just one of "many paths to god", then how can you believe in such a sick god that would do that when it wasn't even necessary? God is omnipotent. He deems the sacrifice necessary, just like he sets up the structure of inevitable sin. To say "God was obliged to do X in order to achieve Y" is to abandon the concept of his all-powerfulness. But I thank God that he loves us enough that he didn't just leave us to rot. Why should he do anything else? It's God who constructed our inherent sinful nature in the first place! He set up a series of rules which humans would, by their very nature, be unable to keep. So to add to this i don't think that those who kill saying that they will inherit heaven through it, are on their way to heaven. It's fascinating, the number of people who will abandon the justification by faith alone doctrine when it moves outside the realms of the theoretical and is applied to situations in the real world. It seems to me he would be a sicker god to send perfectly good people to hell because they didnt believe in Jesus. Are you saying Ghandi is not in heaven? This is of ultimate rudeness. Exactly. Which is worse - crucifixion (which is nasty, but not the worst way to die) or eternal damnation?
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