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'There are many paths to god.'
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sleazo
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4/3/02 2:00pm
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RE: 'There are many paths to god.'
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I think he believes all religions are corretc, he just ahs a probalem with christians who think that theirs is a superior faith.
If i got this wrong you can correct me darth snowdog.
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cydonia
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4/3/02 7:51pm
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Nobody knows jack squat. Agnostics are honest about it. Believers fight against it, after all faith is believing in something when there's no evidence to back it up.
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1stAD
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How Socratic of you, cydonia 
Then again, Socrates was executed for heresy...amazing how such a simple concept is so dangerous to many people, even today.
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Darth Fierce
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"Faith is believing in something when there's no evidence to back it up."
That's very true. I think more people need to understand that, rather than trying to "prove" their faith to others. It's self-defeating IMO.
"Nobody knows jack squat."
As George Lucas said, "Even the cavemen thought they had it all figured out. But on a scale, they were at about 1. Today we're up to about 5. But what most people don't realize is, the scale goes up to a million."
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cydonia
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That george lucas quote is one of my favorites.
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1stAD
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Heh, I'd venture a bit farther than Lucas and suggest that the scale goes on indefinitely
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Darth_SnowDog
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Sleazo: I think he believes all religions are corretc, he just ahs a probalem with christians who think that theirs is a superior faith.
If i got this wrong you can correct me darth snowdog.
No correction needed, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. By believing all religions are valid vehicles to finding truth, I'm still within the boundaries of Hindu faith... because that is, as Jedi_Cyana pointed out, one of the basic elements of Hinduism. Hinduism is henotheistic, as I've mentioned before... belief in one supreme god, but recognition of other religions as also being vehicles searching for that same truth.
My basic feelings towards Christianity are best summed up in the words of Mahatma Gandhi:
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Don't take this to mean I hate Christians... I just find that many of them try to live by preaching, rather than by practicing... Knowledge is useless without action, and one's actions cannot be right without knowledge. Christ knew this... he seems to have practiced ten times more than he preached. Why else would anyone follow him if he were nothing more than a guy with a soapbox to stand on? He had to do tangible things to set an example by which others would follow.
In contrast, proselytizers seek to repress knowledge and limit it to what was learned two-thousand years ago, and simultaneously believe that repetitious utterance of that knowledge somehow brings them closer to god than their actions... It is through seeking to expand one's knowledge and experience through taking action, that we gain wisdom. We're not god, we aren't born into this world knowing everything, and even if there's a scripture that claims to know everything that God does... there are science books thicker than the Bible... containing within them more knowledge... and god has the knowledge of all things in the universe... so how is it that one thin book can claim to contain the sum total of the knowledge and wisdom of the universe, when that is, clearly, a logical fallacy obvious to anyone who can count?
If there is a god, and he has a purpose for us, isn't life an opportunity to discover that purpose? Go out and experience, do, and learn... God didn't say sit in a corner all your life, be a stodgy curmudgeon reading your little book and mumbling verses to yourself all day long until they're the only thing burned into your memory... neither did Christ, nor Krishna, nor Buddha, etc. My father told me when I was very young that in order to know right from wrong, good from bad, you have to see both for yourself...
Consequently, why should an institution's dogma tell me things that I can damn well see with the two eyes god gave me? Why should I take the indirect word of an intermediary when I can look at the universe itself and see god's works? This is where most fundamentalists misunderstand the aim of science... which seeks not to disprove god, but to see god for ourselves, instead of taking someone else's word for it.
If they want to believe that repeating these words to themselves makes them more righteous than their actions... I have no objection. But if they want to knock on my door and try to convince me of the same... they're better off finding someone who doesn't know any better.
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sleazo
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very well put
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Darth Fierce
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"Don't take this to mean I hate Christians... I just find that many of them try to live by preaching, rather than by practicing"
Understood, just make sure you don't mistake a loud minority for the majority.
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Darth_SnowDog
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Fierce: Of course not. I just think the quote itself says something very poignantly and succinctly about the difference between Christ and Christianity.
Some think that your only responsibility is to say you accept the system... like democracy, Christianity needs action to work. You can't just say "oh, I'm a US Citizen" and expect the government to do everything for you. Active participation is required.
While many believers understand this, many do not. I think part of the confusion arises when a religious dogma or edict claims that salvation can be achieved simply by acknowledging that you are dedicated to that faith, and by renouncing all others. This is not devotion, this is what's called "going through the motions".
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DarthPhelps
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I think the problem is that the loud, obnoxious preaching is far more visible than those of us who live more quietly, showing our faith not just by our words but also by our actions. There is a teaching in the NT about performing your works in humility - not boasting about it. The whole 'left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing' thing.
This may create the impression that Christians as a whole are loud-mouthed Bible thumpers, when in reality you may overlook many of us.
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Darth_SnowDog
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I agree. In addition, if there are people creating this false impression of Christianity, I'd like to see more effort on the part of those who want me and others like me to believe this is not representative of all Christianity... to address the issue with those who create this impression as much as you address it with those of us who see it.
If everyone really focused on bettering themselves, no one would need to tell everyone else how to live.
It's that whole thing about glass houses... and casting stones... you know.
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Darkside_Spirit
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"Christian" means follower of Christ. Therefore, to establish what "true" Christianity is and is not, we must work out what Christ really said.
Unfortunately, we have as evidence of his life only four gospels written at any time between 40 and 150 years after his alleged death. Considering the total lack of evidence concerning his alleged life, I personally don't believe he even existed. Now, if the evidence is sparse enough for his very existence to be doubted, we're hardly in very good stead to determine what he actually said!
Therefore, we can't pass judgement on the issues concerned. However, I do have serious problems with the morality of what Christianity has grown into, and how Jesus is depicted in the gospels. The references to eternal damnation are pretty bad in and of themselves, not to mention the "virtue" of self-sacrifice - i.e. promotion of human misery - and praise for great "faith" - i.e. unquestioning obedience. I may post an overview of my view on this later.
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Darth Fierce
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Snowdog and DarkSide Agreed.
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Jedi_Cyana
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I have NO idea where I'm coming from, but then again, I usually don't. And as I established before, I'm a Hindu, not Christian, therefore, if I got something wrong, then tell me please.
"Christian" means follower of Christ. Therefore, to establish what "true" Christianity is and is not, we must work out what Christ really said.
However, I believe that this is in some way impossible. You can't change what Christ said, but it's all about interpretation. It's the same problem the Muslins are going through lately. They know what the Quaran says, but what it MEANS is a different story. I think that's why we have so many religious conflicts today.
Also, everyone (well...almost everyone) believes that their belief is the right one. It takes time to realize that we all worship the smae thing, the same God (or Gods) but just in different lights.
Does that make any sense to anyone?
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