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Guinastasia
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Date Posted:
11/9/05 6:11pm
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RE: Catholicism
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DARTH-SHREDDER posted:
There's reason that Nuns can not marry. They take vows of chastity, poverty and obedience. They devote their lives to prayer.
Why can't they devote their lives to prayer and their spouse?
Because they chose to dedicate their lives to something else? Being a nun is much much different from being a priest-there are also religious orders for men that are like convents.
I'm all for married clergy, and women priests, but I do think that celibate orders should be open to people who wish to enter them.
Besides, most of the nuns I knew were hella cool.
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DARTH-SHREDDER
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11/10/05 9:09pm
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Because they chose to dedicate their lives to something else? Being a nun is much much different from being a priest-there are also religious orders for men that are like convents.
I really think the whole idea of a nun is stupid anyway. In my opinion, the Catholic Church has too many rules, which breeds too much ignorance.
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Guinastasia
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11/10/05 10:25pm
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DARTH-SHREDDER posted:
Because they chose to dedicate their lives to something else? Being a nun is much much different from being a priest-there are also religious orders for men that are like convents.
I really think the whole idea of a nun is stupid anyway. In my opinion, the Catholic Church has too many rules, which breeds too much ignorance.
So don't join a convent. Really, it's not like anyone is forced to be a nun-it's a rare calling.
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GrandAdmiralThrawn66
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Just because a church has lots of rules doesn't mean that all of its people are ignorant. I'd rather be in my tradition heavy, many rules church than join the new "flavor of the month" church that changes ever year. Id rather be 800 years behind and not looking to change than 3 years behind constantly trying to catch up.
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Philosopher1701
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11/14/05 4:38pm
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The Church doesn't force you to follow any "rules".
The Church does its best to help you live a holy life. That is the whole purpose of the Sacraments. A covenant has been sworn between you and YHWH. Christ's love for His Church mirrors the love between a husband and wife.
I don't understand why everyone enjoys bashing Christians who are just trying to live moral lives. Christ's message was one of love and peace. Man is fallible. Throughout history, men have slaughtered many people in the name of God. That doesn't mean God is pleased with it.
Also, to say that priests and nuns shouldn't have to live celibant lives is a personal insult to them. They have chosen to give their sexuality to God, spiritually "marrying" Him. You are implying that they aren't "strong enough".
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Ton_G
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11/14/05 7:31pm
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Rules are the expression of beliefs. If one were to believe something but act against it, this would be a dangerous character trait and very similar if not identical to willing a known evil.
This relationship between beliefs and rules is accessible in liturgy, where each action and each word is defined by the rubrics. These rubrics do not exist as an end in themselves but to properly represent Catholic beliefs.
The priest faces the altar, because he is facing ad orientam, eastward, looking towards Christ.
At the concecration the sanctuary bells are tolled three times and the Priest genuflects, these are signs which manifest the Catholic belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.
And so with nuns and priests it is the same, the rules should be an expression of belief. They are not celibate for celibacy's sake, but because of their relationship with God.
In suggesting that the Church has too many rules, do you also suggest that the Church has too many beliefs? And if so, why should there be a numerical limit to beliefs?
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Philosopher1701
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11/14/05 7:34pm
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Ton_G posted:
Rules are the expression of beliefs. If one were two believe something but act against it, this would be a dangerous character trait and very similar if not identical to willing a known evil.
This relationship between beliefs and rules is accessible in liturgy, where each action and each word is defined by the rubrics. These rubrics do not exist as an end in themselves but to properly represent Catholic beliefs.
The priest faces the altar, because he is facing eastward, looking towards Christ.
At the concecration the sanctuary bells are tolled three times and the Priest genuflects, these are signs which manifest the Catholic belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.
And so with nuns and priests it is the same, the rules should be an expression of belief. They are not celibate for celibacy's sake, but because of their relationship with God.
In suggesting that the Church has too many rules, do you also suggest that the Church has too many beliefs? And if so, why should there be a numerical limit to beliefs?
Well spoken. 
I'll have to keep that in mind. 
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Ton_G
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If one were two believe
I've officially lost my mind.
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CuppaJoe
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KnightWriter posted:
It's talk like this that makes me feel embarrassed to be Catholic.
Rejoiiiice and be glad!
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GrandAdmiralThrawn66
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CuppaJoe posted:
KnightWriter posted:
It's talk like this that makes me feel embarrassed to be Catholic.
Rejoiiiice and be glad!
If I may ask, what exactly is the point of your post?
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DarthFacetious
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Why can't they devote themselve to prayer and a spouse?
Being Catholic, I feel I should respond.
The whole point to taking vows of chastity and not getting married is to fully devote yourself to the Lord. If a nun/priest/monk has a spouse, then their devotion is not only for the Lord, but for that spouse and family. I have a cousin who just took vows. She told me that all that was in her life was the Lord. These people who take vows must do it without reservation. If they feel like they would one day like to marry, they are discouraged from taking vows.
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Why can't they devote their lives to prayer and their spouse?
I'm probably echoing the above post, but the point is that they're dedicating their lives to God, not to God and their spouse. Paul discusses this in the New Testament, saying that it is better that a person remain unmarried, so that they can devote their entire time to God, than for it is for that person to marry, if that person can remain chaste. If that person cannot remain chaste, they are encouraged to marry, so that they would not sin. Obviously marriage is a wonderful thing, but taking vows of chastity (and I realise that I'm probably mixing those terms up) is acknowledging that something bigger and better exists than simple human desires. By doing this, a person is able to devote all of their time and effort into pleasing God without having to set aside time for a spouse.
And so with nuns and priests it is the same, the rules should be an expression of belief. They are not celibate for celibacy's sake, but because of their relationship with God.
Well said.
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Less and less priests these days. That's good. I'd rather see married Ministers as the upholders of morality.
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DarthFacetious
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The ones who can get married are not ministers, but Deacons
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Since there are *cough* certain US Senators that have a rather confused notion of Catholic history, I thought it might be a good idea to use this thread to dispel certain myths about Catholicism's past that continue to persist today. Here's a couple examples:
Pope Boniface VIII banned the practice of cadaver dissection in the 1200s- No such ban has ever occurred. This seems to be from a misunderstanding of the papal bull "De Sepulturis" which banned he boiling of bodies of soldiers who died the Holy Land in order to separate the bones from their bodies and transport them back to Europe.
Christopher Columbus was told that he would fall off the edge of the world were he to sail west across the Atlantic- No one in their right mind believed the world was flat in 1492. This myth originates in a story by Washington Irving called The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus.
Anyone have other myths about Catholic history and refutations of them?
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